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Thousand Oaks, CA

Sapwi Trails

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Sharknado2
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 34 played 34 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Epic course with huge elevation changes dogged by rough terrain and an inefficient layout 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 16, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

- Excellent facilities, clean bathrooms with water fountains and water bottle fillers at both sides of the course. The bathrooms are even ventilated and have A/C... wow Thousand Oaks is bougie.
- Decent amount of parking on both sides of the course as well
- Tee signs at each tee box and "next tee" signs after each basket that help greatly with navigation. You will still definitely get lost without UDisc though...
- Brand new Disccatcher baskets that are in great shape.
- Awesome elevation changes on pretty much every hole. Crazy fun top of the world shot on Hole #16 that was a blast to throw.
- VERY challenging greens. Holes 4 and 5 have baskets perches right on a ridge so missed putts will leave you in a lurch. Basket on #12 was, I kid you not, on like a 20 degree grade... My approach was 15 ft away from the basket and I really thought I had the birdie on lock down. But it's hard to make a putt from INSIDE THE WORLDS THICKEST BUSH COVERED IN THORNS. Crazy slope after the basket on #12 as well. Same on #13, I was 20 ft from the basket but had to turbo over a tall bush and SHOCKINGLY did not make my putt. Love the hanging willows on #17, makes a short hole very tricky.
- Some legitimately frightening tee shots. You'll have to carry thick brush, water, lots of places where if you don't have the distance or if you shank it you are more or less guaranteed to lose your disc. If you're seasoned and consistent it's really fulfilling to nail these shots and you feel like you're playing a professional course! If you're just starting out and can't throw far or consistently... maybe hold off on this one until you improve.
- Four par 4's and a decently long par 5 (which despite being almost 900' is very reachable in 3 with some well placed shots). The par 4's are SUPER gettable. I don't have a cannon arm by any means, I can throw max distance drivers anywhere between 300' and 350'. You don't have to bite off a ton of distance off the tee, it's really just about placement. The real challenge is the approach shot. If you have 400-500' of distance than I would venture to say that almost all of the par 4's are reachable.
- The fairways are fairways--you're not gonna lose your disc in the obvious landing areas of wide open dirt and yellowish brown grass. But the rough is ROUGH. Going off in the high grass or bushes won't guarantee you will lose your disc but you'll have to throw from such an awkward lie that it's just not worth the extra distance. If you stick to the discs you know and throw controlled shots to the biggest landing areas then you can survive this course.
- This course has what I consider the best element to course design: holes that look much harder than they actually are. There is so much rough / hazard / danger on this course that can be avoided with measured, consistent throws. Like I said before--lean on your go-to discs. I threw the same two discs off the tee for probably 12 of the 19 holes.
- I would say the most picturesque and unique course within an hour of L.A. Bigger and more exciting holes than Chavez, Sylmar and OG. Way more elevation and rough than La Mirada or El Dorado. Much tougher and bigger than Rabbit Flats.

Cons:

- Tees do not have hole maps, hole names, or distance. Just a logo and a hole number.
- The baskets need numbers on them, plain and simple. Really easy to get the baskets for #4 and #6 confused.
- The rubber tee pads with holes in them aren't the best. Most aren't very level. Some tees don't even seem to have them (#19?).
- The layout for #4, #5, and #6 doesn't make sense and is inefficient. Hole #5 should not exist (there would still be 18 holes without it). You have to walk the entire hole, tee off and then walk backwards. The walk to #5 also means that while leaving hole #4 you walk through #6's fairway. Not only do I see this being a HUGE source of backup during tournament play, it seems unsafe.
- #7 uses #5's fairway as its fairway. Again same thing about slowing down play and safety.
- #2 and #14 need to go. I can appreciate that blind shots are an added layer of challenge and part of difficult courses. But you will 100% lose even a while placed shot on these holes without a spotter. It's a huge hike for one person to go up the hill and watch for discs and them come back down and throw. Also #2 just does not have a fairway. You just throw to a field of thick bushes. Expect that your approach will be from an awkward stand still position to a very sloped green.
-#1 tee was unclear. UDisc was saying that you throw from the other side of the parking lot??? But the sign showed teeing off from a handicapped spot which would prevent getting the disc at the angle it needs to be at to not hyzer out crazy early. I can appreciate a challenging starting hole but it needs a little bit of clarity.
-Hills. Hills. Hills. Bring a ton of water. I played this past weekend in 100 degree weather and both of the people I played with bailed halfway through because of hydration. You need to bring a TON of water. I brought a 3L hydration pack which I recommend. Be prepared to be super winded.
- Despite the heat, you kind of need to wear pants on this course. I could so many buts and burrs in my socks and on my legs that there's no way I'm playing in shorts.
- As cool as hole #16 is, it took 10 minutes to walk to the green. This seems like a nightmare in tournament play, especially because you can't see people walking down the stairs. Hopefully people will get waved on?
- Definitely a given considering all that I've already said... But you will likely lose discs on this course especially if you are a beginner. If you struggle to throw 250'+ or shank your shots I would not recommend this.

Other Thoughts:

I know the cons section is pretty heavy but it's like that one teacher you had in school that was always on your case because they knew your full potential. This course has the potential to be a 4.5 for me. As the lines and rough get broken in over time that will help a ton. If the #4-#6 layout was fixed that would also go a long way. I don't see a major re-design in the cards though... but I can always hope. The tee signs for sure need maps and lengths. And the baskets definitely need numbers--this seems like a pretty doable thing.

Had to check this course out before I play the tournament next weekend. LOVE the course but to be honest I am super concerned about tournament play. There seems to be a ton of spots backups will form and some people will get seriously screwed with a shot gun start by having to walk 1+miles. Not to mention the heat and elevation changes. It's gonna be a long day... Will update my review with how that goes.
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Lonhart
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 30.1 years 425 played 38 reviews
2.00 star(s)

Potential is there 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 21, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

-New developed parking lots (free) at holes 1 and 8, with water and restrooms
-Natural-appearing setting with grasslands and oak trees on sloping terrain
-18 holes with baskets
-Designated tee boxes
-Most holes have a simple sign with the tee number on it

Cons:

-Signs (yellow, vertical plastic strips) only provide tee number, no distance, map, or alternate basket positions (I assume alternate basket positions are planned)
-Baskets are not numbered
-Many of the tee boxes are lumpy as dirt underneath settles with use
-Traversing between holes can be confusing without a map, and often is not intuitive
-This is a new course, so many of the amenities that are common to older courses are lacking, such as informative signs, well-defined trails and stairs/switchbacks in steep sections. In a couple of places, stairs or steps are needed, since the engineered slope is both very steep and well-packed.

Other Thoughts:

This course is set in a valley, which appears to be a water retention area in case of flooding. The parking lot of Avenida De Los Arboles is new (not on Google Maps satellite view as of Aug 2019) and has water and a restroom. The right turn into this new lot is poorly signed, but is a few hundred feet past the Kensington stoplight. The little creek that runs down the middle did not really come into play in August.

I really looked forward to this course after reading some of the reviews, but in general, I was disappointed (expectations too high). This course is new, so many of the aspects that generate a high rating might be in the works, but as of August 2019, it is still raw. Some holes were great, but many were unimpressive. Perhaps this will change as fairways become more defined with use, access to the fairways improves, and alternate basket placements appear.

-Hole 1. I could not find the yellow tee sign, and I opted to play at the top of the access road that leads down to basket 1, which is clearly visible from the parking lot. It looks like Discette played from the sidewalk (based on her photo), but some work needs to be done here. The basket off to your left on the hillside is basket #2--make note of it because it is not visible from tee #2.
-Hole 2. Walk back up the fairway from hole 1 to the tee for #2 on the right side. You cannot see the basket. I think the strategy here is to drive well up the hillside, avoiding the deep ravine to the right (full of trees and bushes, and water?). From atop the hill (basically near the parking lot) you can see basket #2 across the ravine and send a mid-range right at it, but beware the slope. This is an interesting hole, because you need two well-placed shots to par.
-Hole 3. Straight shot over a bridge and across the ravine. After this hole, you begin the trek to tee #4.
-Hole 4. Despite what the signs say (No trespassing), you need to walk across the top of a large earthen dam. Tee #4 is on the far side, slightly below the causeway. More signs to help navigate this section would be nice for folks playing here for the first time. The fairway for this hole follows the curve of the ravine, with a steep, man-made slope on the right, a flat floor, and dense oak trees on the left. Stay in the middle of the floor and you will be fine. The basket on the right side, visible about halfway down the fairway is #6. After your second shot you can see basket #4 atop a small embankment at the end of the floor you've been walking/playing along.
-Hole 5. The tee pad near basket #4 is for hole 5. Walk along the trail (on right side) with the "pond" to your left, and as the trail slopes upward, look for a spur to the left. The tee for basket #5 is at the end of the pond. You drive over the reeds to the basket which is clearly visible on the other side of the pond, also on an embankment.
-Hole 6. The tee is just past basket #5 and partially under an oak tree. The basket is barely visible, just up the slope from the trail on the upper side of fairway for basket #4. High potential to roll down from the running trail onto the flat basin below.
-Hole 7. Tee pad is on the left side of the trail, and the fairway is a trail/road heading up away from the flat basin. The basket is not visible from the tee. From your landing spot, you'll need to (essentially) drive again up the hill, where the basket is on the right side of the road, just past some brown metal posts.
-Hole 8. The tee is a white stripe painted on the road that skirts the second parking area (off Westlake Blvd, also not visible on Google Maps satellite as of August 2019). The basket you see is actually hole 10. The fairway and basket for #8 are to the right of the access road the drops down the hill from the tee box. It is almost straight, perhaps slightly to the right, and the hillside has lots of bushes and yucca, which has very sharp-spined leaves!
-Hole 9. The tee is past basket #8 and slightly down the hill, out towards the edge of the hillside. This is the first of the "downhill" shots, which are fun but do become a bit repetitive.
-Hole 10. The tee is near a cement bench and the basket is back at the edge of the parking lot. This is both a longer hole and back up the steep hill you just came down. To the left and behind the basket the slope drops steeply, so upshots and putts need to be well-placed.
-Hole 11. The tee is along the edge of the parking lot, and the basket is visible on the edge of the hill. A fairly simple hyzer for RHBH throwers.
-Hole 12. You walk along the access trail/road slightly up the hill and to the right of basket 11, and the tee is on the left side of the road. It is surrounded by very tall weeds/shrubs. The basket is visible, far away on the slope to the left of the road. There is a large landing spot for your drive, even though you cannot see it. The slope next to the basket is still dominated by shrubs and small trees.
-Hole 13. As you walk down from basket 12 you'll see a trail through the weeds, perpendicular to the access road. Head up that to the tee. The basket is visible under a large oak, and this is the second of the downhill shots, very similar to #9.
-Hole 14. This tee is hidden in the shrubs and has a weak trail leading up to it. It is on the left side of the access road, up from basket 13. You cannot see the basket from the tee, or from much of the fairway. It is up the slope, essentially in the direction the tee is facing. The shrubs right in front of the tee are so high that it affects your release trajectory. Some trimming would make this a better hole. After driving, walk up the hillside amidst waist-high shrubs. Eventually the basket is visible. It is not a long hole, but being uphill and blind makes it tricky.
-Hole 15. There is a trail that leads from basket 14 to the tee for 15. The basket is clearly visible below, and this is the third of the downhill shots. You should be getting good at this!
-Hole 16. Tee is to the left from basket 15, and is very well built and slightly elevated. Basket 16 is way down below, in the middle of a large flat area with a few trees/shrubs spread throughout. This "top of the world" hole tempts you to through your whole bag. Very cool!
-Hole 17. After 16, walk over the bridge that is on your left, and climb up the road and the tee is on the left. A large willow (?) tree drapes over basket 17, which is just barely visible to the left, in the shade. Short shot.
-Hole 18. After 17, walk along the path and tee 18 is just below (on right), and the basket is up the slope on the left side of the trail, protected by a couple of trees. This hole really feels like "filler" to connect the course back to the parking lot.
-Hole 19. Another connector hole. There was no tee pad I could find. The basket is not visible from the tee, but if you walk up several meters, you can see it down the slope (on right) just past some trees. There is water to the right of the basket, but it only comes into play with an errant shot. This was likely my least favorite hole, and kind of a bummer to end on it. Then you walk along the trail back to the parking lot, emerging on the opposite end from where you started.
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Blagadies
Experience: 9.8 years 218 played 5 reviews
2.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 24, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

decent length - the course is designed for 900+ rated players with a course guide.

Cons:

overgrown!

Due to the design I don't think this course is going to get used the way it needs to be. If you can't carry 300" then your going to have a relatively miserable time. If you want to bring a child or a significant other out that cant throw 200"+ don't even bother. Signage and navigation as of 8/24/2019 was terrible.

Other Thoughts:

this course needs a lot of work. The designer could move some of the pins to mitigate some of the need for erosion control(work).
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lardog
Experience: 7 played 7 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Sapwi Trails 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 5, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

Super challenging. Lots of bomber holes 500 feet+. I think one of the holes is 1000 feet! This is a 3 hour course to get through 18 holes. Interesting Layout. Could be much better with serious weed maintenance.

Cons:

Tons of high weeds and mustard grass. 2 or 3 spotters mandatory or you will lose discs. Needs some serious amount of weed whacking. I suggest wearing gaiters or you will have tons of foxtails poking you.

Other Thoughts:

Not a beginner course. Don't go if you are an unpredictable arm.
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The Valkyrie Kid
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 46 years 1562 played 1507 reviews
4.50 star(s)

EPIC! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Jan 21, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

Everything about this course is epic. One definition for epic states, "impressive or grand in scale." Sapwi Trails DGC is epic in it's:

360 degree views of the surrounding hills with all the houses built on them.
Top of the world # 16 plus two other great downhills.
Extreme dangers/hazards on your right side.
Safety concerns.
Shot shaping required.
Uphill holes.
Holes on sloping hillsides.
Long walkouts.
Challenge.
Five foot tall bushes to throw over.
Physical endurance tested.
Courage needed.

The Sapwi Trails Community Park is a large, sprawling natural type park with trails everywhere. The park sits down in a deep valley with parking lots on both sides. Google maps led me to the parking lot on the wrong side so I started by basket 10 and played 11-19 and then 1-10. The tee pads are floor grate type and aren't the most level. The signs are the simple yellow campground site marker. They are virtually indestructible but don't give any information, just the hole number. There are also some next tee yellow markers which are most helpful. The baskets are yellow Discatchers complete with numbers.

This course is designed for intermediate play and above although the rec player can enjoy some holes but many are too long and dangerous for us. The par 4's and the one par 5 are both scary and advanced level challenging. # 12 is a 500' par 4 throwing across miles of 5' high grass to a basket set up on a hillside. # 2 is a 390' brutal, blind, uphill throw around an incredibly nasty gorge (steep, deep and filled with ugly plants) to a basket set just past the end of this gorge. # 3 is just a 352' par 3 but you have to cross a deep gorge with a creek in it. Your disc could easily be swatted down by one of the guardian trees.

# 4 is the 900' par 5 which follows a water basin around a long hyser path. # 5 is a 318' throw over a pond/muddy area/dry area depending on the season. # 7 is a 460' par 4 which plays along the same deep water basin that # 4 uses but then turns up a small path to a basket set near to some deep rough. # 10 is like 440' but plays more like 550' throwing up a steep hill. And I ended up with this as my 19th hole. Exhausted!

Hole 16 is 500' "Top of the World" type throw to a basket out in the open. It's a long par 3. # 13 is a great 275' downhill toss as in # 9, 279' over the rocks. And there is the aforementioned # 1.

Cons:

I played on the MLK holiday on there were quite a few bicyclists, lots of hikers and a couple of trail runners in the park. # 1 starts with 390' downhill blast to a basket very close to a fork in the trail. It would be too easy for a bicycle or a runner to come around the corner there. The final three holes all play near or right up this path. There are signs stating this is a one-way trail but I ran into two teens come roaring down this trail, the wrong way ignoring the warning signs.

Holes 18 and 19 both play this path with a deep, sloping gorge on the right.

It's a long arduous trek. Would be really dry and dusty in summer. Bring lots of water.

It's a very long walkout between 3 and 4. Very long!

This section of holes, 4-8 is particularly confusing the first time through.

The tee pads are inconsistent at best. Some are nice and smooth, others are rough and bumpy.

Other Thoughts:

I was almost honored to be the first one to review Sapwi Trails Disc Golf Course. I think it will soon be mentioned and ranked among California's top courses. I think the safety concerns and lack of better signage might hold my rating down, just a hair. But I believe Sapwi Trails will receive quite a few 5.0 ratings but I'm going to use some restraint to and give it a 4.5. I may be proven wrong. I can visualize top pros loving this course. I don't envision this tired old recreational player returning.
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BBB-SoCal
Experience: 26 played 17 reviews
3.50 star(s)

New course in 2018 makes for a new challenging spot 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Dec 9, 2018 Played the course:once

Pros:

New landscaping and design
Challenging shots
Elevation changes
Bathroom and drinking fountains at the parking lot(s)
Relatively straight-forward path from hole to hole
Good mix of short and long holes

Cons:

Some fairways overlap
No actual tee box signage
No concrete teepads (they are rubber with holes)
Spotters are good to have on a few holes to track discs
Permanent pin positions limits variety

Other Thoughts:

The par structure on this course is generous, but with that said it is still a challenging course at times. The wind can be very unforgiving at times and some pins are blind. This course feels very new (I understand it started in September 2018) and as a result it will probably develop some course strategies soon. Based on the markers indicating where the next tee is I would assume the pins are always in the same place. This will limit variability but it will make it easier for a new person (or group) to start the course and feel welcome. The bathroom and drinking fountain at the parking lots (roughly hole 1 and 11) are nice and clean and greast to have. There is nothing else after that though so plan accordingly. The views are nice and the course shares a trail with hikers and bikers -- so please be courteous to them as well. There are some nice top-of-the-world shots that make for a memorable trip and possibly some headaches if you do not choose the right disc.

Overall this is a nice course. It would be a 4+ rated course if it had tee signs and/or some different pin positions throughout. As it currently is: it is clean, new, and a solid challenge. That makes it very good and should be a place to visit. The community seems to support the sport and that is awesome to see (and play). If you have time, check out Rabbit Flats relatively nearby and make a day of it. Cheers!
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