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Novato, CA

Stafford Lake County Park

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5 1
miniboult
Experience: 25.1 years 5 played 5 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Championship level course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 11, 2011 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

-Championship level course with multiple tee pads and pin placements
-Signage is great (you still need to walk out to see many of the baskets before you shoot though).
-Tee pads are in good shape and well made
-Optional if you want to play the course long or short (use the short tee pads for a shorter, easier round).
-Good variety of long and short holes. This is one of the most flexible courses in disc golf as far as distance and shot changes. All depends on what tee you use and what position the basket is in.

Cons:

-Pay to play
-Long walk to the first tee
-Hole#1 is a rough start. Huge elevation change.

Other Thoughts:

This is considered by many to be the "big arm" course for the San Francisco Bay Area. The next closest course to rival it is DeLaVeaga in Santa Cruz. I highly recommend this course if you are a Pro or a seasoned Amateur player. I make a point to visit this course at least twice a month.
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elton807
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 13.9 years 56 played 56 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Stafford Sting 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Sep 10, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

Beautiful hilly course set along the banks of Stafford Lake. Tons of elevation changes and turns; the signs even state what the teepad:basket elevation changes are. Fantastic mix of driver shots and throwing options. I played with a predominantly RH sidearm thrower, and we were able to let off very different teeshots on the same holes with positive results. Great mix of superlong, long, medium and short holes. Also a great mix of open and wooded holes, and use of trees. The long ones make you appreciate the short ones, even though some were surprisingly short, albeit technical. Wonderful flowery aroma is always a breath away. Fancy tri-fold course map/pamphlet you get at the paid entrance booth. Excellent teepads.

Cons:

Got stung in the top of my ear while lost with another 1st timer trying to find the 5th basket, after getting lost trying to find 1st tee. The ranger neglected to tell us that after crossing the bridge, keep left onto the main dirt road until you see the 1st tee box atop the tall set of wooden stairs on the open hill. We went right, and ended up finding what looks like future holes 19-27. Mucho poison oak.

Other Thoughts:

I think Stafford is a tough 1st time play for a beginner/intermediate thrower without a guide...at least it was for me. I can envision my 2nd outing being a much more relaxed and enjoyable round. Special thanks to Matt, who helped me pull the stinger out!
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Uniqueness: A (great DG course in a superb setting)
Difficulty: A (can get long & hilly; can get dense with trees)
Fun Factor: A- (will likely be upgraded to an "A" after another round)
Aesthetics: A+ (gorgeous natural lakeside setting; very clean; perfect teepads & signs)
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Overall: A
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tehrain
Experience: 24 years 12 played 10 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Terrain course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 27, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

Huge terrain course, you'll definitely get your workout. Solid range, most holes are driveable but it just doesn't seem to happen for me! Right by the lake, a half mile walk from the parking lot so it's secluded and beautiful.

Cons:

Very slippery in the winter on the steep mountainside.

Other Thoughts:

I will play this course again. Had a blast.
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humchris85
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 19 years 143 played 78 reviews
4.50 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 25, 2010 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

- Huge secluded course, I didn't see anyone on the course who wasn't a disc golfer
- Lots of elevation change starting with a huge uphill that will definatly work your arm out.
- Great views of the surrounding hills and the lake at the bottom of the course
- Nice concrete tee pads
- Multiple tee pads on many of the holes
- Lots of pin positions
- Great kiosk next to hole 1 with a nice map of the course and other course info, as well as scorecards and maps.
- Pay to play helps keep the riff-raff out
- Holes vary alot, from shorter, ace-able holes (only a couple) up to the 1000+' bomber.
- Design manages to pull in lots of diffrent shots without having alot of trees.
- Very detailed signs with a nice overhead view of the hole, distances to each pin position and a washer to show which pin position it is in.
- Realy fun downhill shot on hole 5 long, is worth the walk up and throwing off a natrual tee pad.

Cons:

- Definatly not a beginers course, they will end up getting frustrated by the distance and elevation
- 6-8$ pay to play seemed a bit high, but it does help keep the unriff-raff off the course
- 1/4 mile hike from the parking lot to hole 1, (gets you warmed up in my opinion)
- Grass can be high some times of the year
- Can get realy hot in the summertime
- Gets windy at times
- Some blind shots that you might want to have a spoter on.
- No smoking (fire hazard)
- POISON OAK

Other Thoughts:

Stafford Lake is a championship caliber course in Nor-Cal. With wonderfull design and lots of great views this will be a course that sits in my memory for a long time. It was hard on me as I tend to max out at around 300', but it was still an experence worth having. You start off your round with a 1/4 mile walk to hole 1 which is a huge uphill that will have even experenced players working hard for their par. Though most of the course is in open fields the trees that are around are used well. As you make your way through you will be treated to an epic downhill shot on hole 5, if your willing to take an extra hike up the hill behind the regular tee pad, and be willing to throw on a natural tee pad. Hole 9 is a 1000+' hole that runs along a fence seperating the disc golf course from the ball golf course next door. It plays just slightly downhill and in my opinion it's a par 5 for Am's and a par 4 for Pro's. This course is well worth a visit if your a pro traveling through the area, or an am who likes some punishment.
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The Valkyrie Kid
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 46 years 1562 played 1507 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Stafford Lake-One Of Cali's Finest! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 20, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

Stafford Lake is a county park ($6 week day, $8 week-end) located in the foothills of Marin County about a 30 minute drive north of San Francisco. This is a large sprawling park with a lake/reservoir which is often visible in the distance from locatuions on the course.
From the far parking lot, it is about a 1/4 hike slightly uphill to the # 1 tee box. There you will find a kiosk with great maps and other pertinent course information. Bring lots of water, snacks, sun protection and sturdy shoes. This is no walk in the park! We played in probably the ugliest time of the year here, late August, when everything was the driest and brownest and the hottest. # 1 plays up the side of the hill probably 300 feet requiring the afore mentioned massive arm which I don't have. The brown grass was incredibly slippery and hard to even walk up. I start with a double bogey. # 2 is one of the many holes requiring a spotter. Probably having a spotter on 10-12 holes is a good idea. I would say this course plays to an elite/gold player level. The tee pads are extra long for that extra long run off required. # 6' s "Top of the World" shot is great fun. The previously mentioned 1049' long # 9 is actually, IMO, a fairly managable par 4 seeing how it is fairly wide open ( a tree or two) and slightly downhill all the way. # 17 is another great downhill bomb 534' with a hyser to a basket visible in the trees. There is a great variety of shots required. Often you need to be planning your second while throwing your first. This is not the course to bring your girlfriend for her first experience (disc golfing that is).

Cons:

The $6 or $8 it cost to pay although this keeps the casual players off the course. Probably the distance from the population centers. The high grass in season. The elevation, the wind, the general difficulty and challenge (both physical and golf) being greater than the skill and physical capibilities of many of us. The many blind holes. That trudge back to the parking lot at the end of the round.

Other Thoughts:

Although beautiful in it's own right, in my humble opinion, it doesn't quite match Lake Casitas in the natural beauty department. I also don't feel the design and challenge are quite up there with De La and Lake Casitas either. Don't get me wrong. I think it's a great course, I just rate it a hair behind those two great Cali courses with Ryan's Ranch coming on strong. They all play to the same type of big armed type advanced players.
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sloppydisc
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 15.5 years 201 played 147 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Magnificent Monster. 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 22, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

I won't re-hash too much of what has already been said of this course, but there are few things DG tourists like me shuld know.

First great thing to know if that you are in the hills of CA and it is beautiful. The small lake at the base of the course doesn't hurt either.

Second thing to know is that the course is well separated from the rest of the park. You will be in your own world.

Great variety of shots needed, and great use of elevation. After all that's why you go to Stafford. There is also some excellent basket positions in the trees. This isn't just a course with hills. Basket positions are used to add even more difficulty to the course.

Nice concrete tee pads. Multiple tee pads and/or multiple basket positions. Good maps at tee pads, and they even use the screw and washer system to indicate current basket position.

I played a Saturday morning and virtually had the course to myself. Nice surprise for such a well known course. I did see one other group show up as I was about half way through my round.

Cons:

Several blind shots. Due to the elevation and trees there are some tee pads that you either need a spotter, or need to walk down the fairway to figure out the shot. Probably becomes less of a con as you learn the course.

Grass. This Spring has been wet in NorCal so the grass is high. Budget cuts also mean that it doesn't get mowed as much. There was 1-2 feet of grass over most of the course. Plan on spending some time locating your discs. I played solo, but you'd be much better off playing with a buddy and helping each other locate the discs.

Long walk from parking lot to the course.

Other Thoughts:

Great course. I was not disappointed even after the hype. Tough, long holes. You throw uphill, downhill, over trees, under trees. You even have a couple holes that let you air it out. All in all there isn't much to complain about with Stafford. This is definitely a destination course. Just remember it gets hot in CA in the summer, and this course has some decent climbs.

I guess my only other thought as a noodle-armed Easterner is that they had the basket in all the long positions since some guy named Schultz was showing up to play tomorrow. I don't know if it's Sgt Schultz or the guy that has signed a few of my discs, but those long positions just plain kicked my backside. Thanks for that Schultzy! If you want a nice challenge both physically and golfwise then get to Stafford while the basket are long. You aren't going to get many birdies, but it will humble you, and let you see how good you really are.
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Curty
Experience: 36 years 50 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

WOW, what a course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 10, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

Challenging, long, elevation changes, beautiful, scenic, wildlife. Many options of strategy on many holes. Did I say challenging?

Cons:

Middle of nowhere. Grass was super long this time of year, too much time looking for discs. It starts you off uphill for the first few holes and they are challenging, don't get discouraged though, there's alot you'll love later in the round.

Other Thoughts:

Absolutely need to run down the trail to check terrain and location of many holes. I thought I had a good idea from the very helpful descriptions for each hole but once I went to look for my disc I was suprised by what I hadn't seen from the tee. If I had it to do over again I'd play it twice the first visit. It's that interesting...
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8 3
beereakfast
Experience: 15.2 years 22 played 10 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Weekdays are the best! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 22, 2010 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

Multiple pin positions, which seem to change pretty often, make this course new and interesting every time I come. (this was my second time here,)
All of the tee's are large, concrete pads, most of which have brooms nearby. (all but the long tee for hole 5, which is dirt.)
The course isn't heavily wooded but trees frequently shape the play. All except hole11. There, both the long and short tees make for some nice tunnel shots.
There are quite a few holes which offer long bomb opportunities. Hole 6 is well known but 3, 7, 9, 14, and 17, all have long downhill drives which are awesome.
The split of holes, as to weather they favored lefties or righties, is pretty equal, with a few holes where overhand shots just work better. That is to say,
I have to throw every shot I can, and a few I cant.
The fairways seem to be mowed for fire abatement, but not often. There were some pretty deep patches of grass, but most of it was only slightly overgrown.
Lost discs werent a problem.
It all shows that this park is well taken care of.
No trash seen.
The course would be a nice hike. Even if it wasn't a course. This place is gorgeous!

Cons:

Poison oak seems pretty heavy on 2,4 and 5. It's all over but really doesnt come into play often outside of these holes. I think 16 also had a bush right by the basket. I do have issues with the 'oak', but this course is worth playing anyway.
Hole 16 has an old Oak tree with long branches, framing your shot off the tee, There is a large bees nest in the branches above your shot. Dont hit it!
Another con, i suppose, is that this course banned smoking completely after a couple of fires last year. (I do smoke, and just have to deal with it) This course is too sweet to be removed due to something as dumb as cigarettes. Seriously!

Other Thoughts:

I can imagine that this place gets pretty backed up on the weekends due to the length, and speed of play. I've only gone on Mondays, and have seen maybe 15 people playing total over two trips. This adds a lot to the park because of all the wildlife you see. I've seen groups of deer and turkeys sitting in the way on the fairways. Thought it was a nice touch. (no we didnt throw at them!)
I havent played that many courses, but I know what I like. This place is fun to play.
A rabbit, sitting 10 inches from where your disc came to rest, under a tree, Priceless!
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Roguelover
Experience: 2 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

New Year's Eve Gem 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Dec 31, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Stafford Lake course was a blast to play. It has great variety in the shots required - I used forehand, backhand and hammer throws. The first 6 holes are up and down with some blind tees and tees over groves of trees. It's a real workout and spotters are a must.
I think that as beautiful as #6 is, Number 2 is a tee shot over a grove, #7 is a tee shot around a grove. Any of these holes could be signature holes for this course, but then there's the longest hole ever when you get to #9 - over 1000ft. I throw about 300' on my longest drives, and had all I could do to get it to the pin in 4. REally long arms will love this hole; it's flat and basically straight so "Live and let fly!"

Cons:

The wind was an additional hazard on the first 6 holes and with side hill lies on many of the shots, the wind could make you take a really long hike! But then again, that just adds to the experience of the course.
The course would benefit from more directional signs between holes. The maps were invaluable because of this, thanks for providing those. Make sure you have one for your first round - you can pick them up at the first tee, or download one from the website.

Other Thoughts:

This course kicked my tail, but I thoroughly enjoyed playing it. I wish I would have had enough time to play it a second time after I knew the layout and how the holes played.
Walking into the first tee reminds me of Fredericksen course in Poulsbo, WA. On both courses, by the time you walk in, then have to play the first hole which is uphill to a blind basket placement, the course has you on your knees. Stafford is fantastic! I've only been playing for a couple of years, but I think I gained about 6 months worth of experience in this one round.
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Magiken
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 14.8 years 74 played 74 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Fantastic! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Dec 6, 2009 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

• Gorgeous views
• Wide variety of holes - long, short, strategic, etc...
• Benches
• Great park overall - plenty of other activities including a shiny new bike park
• Great tee boxes with fantastic markers/hole layouts
• Poles for disc-in-tree retrieval, brooms
• Multiple tee locations
• Restrooms

Cons:

• A smidge difficult to find the route to the next tee on a couple holes
• A smidge difficult to spot some of the baskets from the tee boxes

Other Thoughts:

Tips:
• Bring water
• Bring money for parking ($5-$8 I believe)
• Bring snacks
• Use the restroom before you hike to #1
• Bring a friend/spotter
• There's a warm up area with a basket near the far-right parking lot, which is the best place to park for the shortest walk to the course.
• The photos on this website for this course don't reflect the current conditions. Trust me, it is much improved.
• Don't forget to be out before they lock the gate.
• Don't forget to try the 5 bonus holes just ahead and right of #4's basket

Random Thoughts:
This is a fantastic course! When you add it all up, it's the best I've played so far. It's isolated from the rest of the park, well though out, and has a wide variety of tee/hole/shot selection options on each hole. It's a beautiful park in a beautiful area, and is an absolute pleasure to walk and play through. Having said that: this is not a beginner course. It's quite long (probably a 3 hour round) and there are numerous areas that you can lose a disc, which is why I recommend a spotter. There are also a few shots where it can be a challenge to land your disc in a 'safe' area, which some people might find frustrating. I tend to like the challenge, but I'll confess that my wife did get a bit frustrated. The other thing I would point out is that the front half of the course is quite a bit more challenging from a lost disc perspective than the back half so be patient if things start out rough. The other advice I would give to the beginner is to wave and keep walking when you come to the 'back' tee on those holes that have them. Other than maybe the side of the mountain hole (#6) these tees are REDICULOUS. =) And I mean that in the nicest way. My hats off to the folks that throw from these tees but, as daring as I am, I didn't even try. I figured it'd be easier to wad up $20 and throw it in the forest, because I'm surely not at a level where I'm confident I can make it to the 'safe zone'.

Bottom line: There are so many memorable things about this course from the couple 'bomb it off the side of a mountain' shots to the views and the wildlife walking around to the wonderful attention and care paid to the course, that no review would do it justice. You must play this course!

Update 12/24/2020: It's well past time I did an update on my review above as there have been numerous changes to this course over the many years since I wrote it so here goes:

• There are now a few 'warm-up' holes on your walk in to the course that start on the left side of the road just as you reach the bike track area and continue all the way to the bend that goes left towards the course. Not sure exactly where the tees will be permanently but you can see some flags and roughed out areas. My advice if you decide to play these is 'be right' as in keep your disc to the right, because if you go into that nasty on the left, good luck.

• There is now a 'Hole Zero' just in front of the steps on the road to the course that plays to a basket straight ahead on the hill on the left side of the steps (with a #18 on it, not to be confused with the actual #18 to the left). A really good warm-up hole before you 'make the climb'. Incidentally, course designers, if this is 'Hole Zero', will the prior ones be -1, -2, -3, etc? ;)

• #1 short tee is still in place but it's quite overgrown now. Not sure what the plans are for it but it's still my friend when the basket is up on top.

• You can see the basket from Hole 2 long now! Not sure why the trees got cut down but I threw from this tee for the first time ever today annnnnnnd promptly tugged it a smidge right into the trees. Dang it....

• The bonus holes (4A-4E) now have artificial grass tee pads with fairly roughed out paths to find them. There are also small signs, and it appears, a fair amount of work has been done to clean up this area. In particular, the poison oak is waaaaaaay better now. Nice job course crew! There are a fair amount of downed trees though so do be careful where you step. Bonus tip: 4D is up the hill and back a bit from 4C's basket. Easy to miss as 4E is right in front of you.

• The epic, I so love it, top of the world, 6 long tee box is still in decent shape, however, the trees/bushes in front are now so high that this shot requires ever more precision. You used to have a really wide window. Now, not so much. I'm tempted to bring a hedge trimmer up there and bzzzzzt them all straight across. In any event, still a fun shot, but certainly one I think about a lot more than I used to.

• There's now a #13 1/2 that you'll likely see on your walk to #14. You're throwing to a basket straight ahead and between the old hole in the middle bush and the big tree. Do be paying attention to folks teeing off on #7-left above when you reach the basket (if that one's in play on the particular day you're there).

• There are also now two #14s or a #13 3/4 and a #14 or however the heck you want to play it that day. Basically, there are now two tees and two baskets. There's the original tee under the big tree and another one way up the hill just past #7-left's tee. I think the idea is to have the original tee play to basket that's up on the side of the hill straight ahead, and the long tee plays to the basket way down at the end of the valley near #15 tee. I suppose you could also criss-cross them if you like and that's part of the fun. I usually play the long one to the long basket though, because, well you know: Bombs away! And it's a par 4, so a birdie is very doable.

As you can see, a vast amount of love and improvements have been made to the course and it continues to be a joy to come out and play, even if it's still quite possibly the most difficult course in the Bay Area. Great job course crew!
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gcoghill
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 24 years 74 played 68 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Beautiful and challenging 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Oct 21, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

• incredibly beautiful scenery
• very secluded
• some phenomenal, world-class holes

Cons:

• course layout can be confusing
• park closes as dusk and they will lock your car in if the Park Ranger doesn't find you

Other Thoughts:

Epic course. When you make the trek from the parking lot just to get to hole one, you feel like you're heading into a disc golf hideaway -- and you are.

The course is completely on it's own in a majestic mountainside setting. The photos here just cannot do this course any justice.

My brother & I were fortunate to have a local -- "Disc Golf Dave" as we named him -- be our guide to the course. Not only a great player, but a patient guy as we played some of the worst disc golf in our lives that day. I think we might have been a bit psyched-out by the course.

Hole one sets the tone with a monster uphill drive. I think the course would have been very disorienting had we not had a guide playing with us.

Hole #6 as has been mentioned is a *killer* hole, and playing from the long tee is flat out incredible. Neck-and-neck with de LaVeaga's hole #27 for awesomeness.

This course is deceiving as much of it is wide open, but you also need accuracy due to wild brush lining the course and the occasional hillside drop-off. Definitely not a course for beginners or casual players.

My review may be incomplete as we did not have a chance to play the entire course. 'Disc Golf Dave' took us to the best holes we could play and still make it back to the parking lot before the park closed. We got to play about 11 of the holes.

I'll be heading back there for sure when I am back out in northern California visiting my brother. He preferred Stafford Lake over De LaVeaga (I preferred DLV), but we both agreed these are top-notch courses.

And a final thanks to 'Disc Golf Dave' for being our course ambassador! Made for a memorable round.
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swatso
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 15.8 years 755 played 414 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Scenic Challenge 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jul 24, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Scoresheets and brochure available at course, course homepage at http://www.staffordlake.com/, and map available on this site provide loads of information about the course. Portion of larger park, scenic hillside running down into a small lake, area dedicated to disc golf - plays up, down, and across the hillside, with lake in constant view, and near a few basket locations. 2-5 basket positions per hole, most with 3 or 4. Multiple tee positions on about ½ of the holes. Most teepads are concrete. Signs at each teepad which indicate various baskets positions, current position, and even the elevation change from teepad to all basket positions! Fantastic variety in length and shape. Bathroom, water fountain, and practice basket near parking lot.

Cons:

Costs up to $8 to enter the park. Bit of a walk from parking lot to first tee/last basket. Some baskets not easily visible - flags, coloured poles, and/or bright coloured bands on the top of the basket would help. Signs didn't indicate if it was the primary or alternate tee location, which wasn't always obvious.

Other Thoughts:

Variety - most holes are very different from each other. Elevation - major/minor/no change. Shape - left/right/S/no turning, some opportunities for tomahawks. Distance - just over 200' to just over 1000', a few legitimate par 4's/5's. Approach shots - due to some holes being extremely long and/or steep, your second (or third) shot will also often require some shape/touch to it.

The day I played - and given the topography of the course, I imagine this is a rather common occurrence - there was a steady breeze coming from the West. This meant I had a tailwind about 1/3rd of the time, a cross-wind 1/3rd of the time, and a headwind about 1/3rd of the time, so the typical flightpaths of your discs could vary greatly from what you normally experience. Since I was on vacation, I only had ten discs with me, and at one point, I could only trust my heavy Firebird to fade as expected - my other lighter, less-overstable discs were turning like Roadrunners!

Many of the baskets are fairly open, but don't let this lull you into a sense of security - most are on some type of slope and/or have a steep drop-off nearby, and when combined with the steady breeze, this increases the level of difficulty on many seemingly "easy" shots.

Favourite Holes: #3A from the long tee, a blind, long right-turning initial drive around the side of a hill will leave you with a long approach across a small depression and through a gap between to small treelines to the basket; #6B/C, just under ~400, a major downhill bomb to a basket with a drop-off and woods just a few feet behind the basket, with a view of the lake and neighbouring hills in the background.

This course is certainly worth the effort to visit if in the Bay area - to make it worth the entry fee, try to allow enough time to play two rounds! Given the extra length and walk to/from the parking lot, allow an extra 30-45 minutes than you normally take to play a typical 18-holer. Adding more alternate tees, making them all concrete, and adding a bit more signage would make this already very strong course top-notch.
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2 4
Mergz
Experience: 26 years 48 played 13 reviews
4.50 star(s)

AWESOME! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:May 1, 2008 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This course is very challenging & humbling. It will make you a better player for sure. There are lots of elevation changes and interesting shots. Never crowded. Some wildlife

Cons:

It can get very hot. Poison Oak in places.

Other Thoughts:

Don't go alone. It's a long hike in & out and not heavily traveled.
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Peterb
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 31.1 years 81 played 32 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Stafford 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 1, 2009 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This course is a game changer. Hole 1 sets the tone right away. Hole 3 long is major. Awesome scenic beauty, pay to park makes money for the county park system, which in turn makes disc golf more viable as a sport (and it keeps jerk-offs away). Moist-Tee (hole 6) is the most epic shot I've played in California, though it makes me wonder if it should now be played to 7's pin. Facilities are great, tee pads are looking good. Wind gets challenging in the afternoons. Awesome wildlife, especially the wild turkies!

Cons:

not too many. I wish there had been a few more tightly wooded shots, but the designers did an amazing job with the landscape.

Other Thoughts:

I wish there were another 18 on the premises.
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JHern
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 16.9 years 82 played 50 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Incredible Course: Must Play 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jan 30, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course rates a 4.5 for me, even considering all the substantial cons (see below). That should illustrate how incredibly the pros outweigh the cons, and how good this course's best traits really are.

Set on a large northern facing mountainside south of Stafford Lake lies some of the best disc golf holes ever devised. The mountainside exhibits multiple alluvial fans that accumulated by ancient erosion, were then uplifted by tectonic motions (the San Andreas fault is nearby to the west) and subsequently incised by creeks and rivulets to form multiple staircases, mini-valleys, and protrusions to play on, over, and through.

There are a wide variety of holes to play. The holes are mostly open, however, the tree stands that do exist are well incorporated into several holes that play around and through them. Some of the mountainside holes like #2 offer interesting and unique challenges for lofting high shots with the danger of runaway fade down slope.

What makes this place special for me is that there are some holes that simply could no exist in many other courses on Earth. Examples are the super long hole 9 with its beautiful open fairway, or the long dowhill shots at holes like 6. Simply beautiful in a pure disc golf way, these epic holes will be burned into your mind forever.

A course map is available online, and with this in hand I had no problems whatsoever in finding my way around the course. The markings are often very nice, and you can certainly tell that a lot of love has been put into this place.

Cons:

Mud tee pads are present on some of the holes. It is impossible to get foot traction for your drives on these holes, so you just have to shoot for par instead of going for that birdie. Be careful not to slip and hurt yourself on the wooden sides of these mud pit tees.

The hillside can be muddy and slick on some of the holes. Hole 1 is a great example, where you have to throw up a steep slope to the basket on an unstable and slick slope, making par almost completely impossible. You might want to skip these holes if it is particularly wet (e.g., for several weeks after any rain).

Lack of facilities near the course itself make it less desirable, especially for women to play long rounds where full bladders might be inevitable.

Pay to park. OK, it's only $5 and that money goes to park upkeep and maintenance and all that good stuff, but if you played here often it would probably become annoying.

There is a modest walk from the parking lot to the first tee, about 10 minutes. Not a bad walk, by any means, but the course is definitely set away from the more civilized portions of the park.

The ranger shoos everyone out of the park well before sunset. This is kind of annoying since daylight is so precious to us disc golfers, especially in the winter months.

Other Thoughts:

Hole #6 is simply incredible. No power is needed to throw down this steep slope, just put a good little snap on the disc for stability and let it sail down the mountainside toward the basket which lies on the peninsula-shaped protrusion and flat area that juts out the side of the mountain about 150 ft below the tee. A mature tree line backs the basket, but treeless steep slopes lie along the sides so a great run at the basket may well skip down yet another hill.

We found a nice gem just down the road from Stafford Lake: Tagliaferri's Delicatessen 2051 Novato Boulevard, Novato, CA 94947. Stop by and pick up a sandwich for you round, or some homemade pastas or raviolis for dinner on your way out. You'll notice some Stafford Lake stamped discs on the wall near the bathrooms.

People will naturally be interested in comparing this course to DeLaveaga in Santa Cruz. They both come out as phenomenal in my rating. While Stafford Lake simple has some of the best holes in all of disc golf, DeLa has a better situated property, better maintenance, and a more consistently designed course. Play them both and decide for yourself!

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Jesse B 707
Experience: 18 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Stafford Lake 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jan 1, 2009 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Gorgeous area,very challenging,great elevation changes,very dynamic wind,multiple tees (on some holes),multiple pin positions (on all holes),mowing and weed wacking are well kept up (these days)

Cons:

Not all tees are concrete(yet),extremely rough on rec players,if you cant get out to around 400 its going to be fairly hard to score well,the hike can be pretty taxing if you're not in good shape

Other Thoughts:

this is a great course to go out and really work on airing out some big distance lines, some of the holes that stick out as the best are, #1 this is a daunting uphill shot that at its longest position is around 500 feet with over 100 feet of elevation!, #6 (long tee) this newly built long tee has transformed one on the highlights of the course into one of the highlights of CA disc golf, located a good hundred feet up the hill behind the original tee it turns what was already a tough and fun extremely downhill shot into the biggest elevation shot ive seen anywhere,#9 1000 footer with just a couple of well placed trees along the fairway, a tough 4 and rarely seen 3, #14 (long tee) in the 5 to 7 hundred foot range(depending on pin position) with the elevation to carry you there if thrown right, #17 big shot playing both down and along the side of a huge hill that usually plays into a considerable headwind
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upsloser
Experience: 1 played 1 reviews
4.50 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Dec 30, 2008 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

Beautiful views, very quiet, very challenging,multiple pins and tees.

Cons:

No water or restrooms on course.

Other Thoughts:

Loved this course. People who aren't in good shape, expect steep hills, with lots of hiking. Took about 3 hours to play. When you get to the first tee, you'll get an idea of what your in for.
This time of year, bring several towels onto the course as the short grass is wet.
No water or bathrooms on the course, so bring water will you. As for the bathrooms, very clean nice ones at the parking lot. So do your # 2"s before leaving.
Don't recomend this course to beginners, unless your ready to walk long distance's to get your disc. Holes 3,6,17, are awesome holes, but if you leave your throw to high, expect walking way, I mean way down hill to get your disc and throw way back up to get to the basket.
Hole 9 is 1000' long and is the only hole with a slight downgrade and has plenty of room to throw.It's wide open. Golf course is on your right so just stay left alittle and enjoy throwing as hard as you can. I made it in 5.
Lot's of the tee pads shown in the photo's are now concrete pads instead of dirt. Saw deer, and a huge flock of wild turkey's while playing. So peaceful, such great view's, can't wait to throw this course again. It's a must course for your list to play.......
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mjheckman
Experience: 16 years 6 played 5 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Humbling, but fun! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 10, 2008 Played the course:once

Pros:

I have only been playing for 2 months and had only played the course in San Francisco. The guys at the first tee told me that the course will be very humbling, and boy was he right! It's a great course in a massive park and the holes are long. I shot a legit 8 on the 1000+ foot hole and was happy. If you're looking for a very good hike with lots of elevation changes this is your course.

Cons:

Poison oak is every where and I mean every where! If you throw a disc into a patch of poison oak you're gonna be in big trouble.

I spent at least 40 minutes of my day searching for the tee box on several holes. I would really be nice of there was some type of marker that would direct you to the next tee.
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kevin
Experience: 67 played 61 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Pro corse 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 13, 2007 Played the course:never

Pros:

Good fun! Puts forth a challange. The place is well mapped out.

Cons:

Pay $5 parking fee.

Other Thoughts:

Worth the drive, make a day out of this place, it's one of the best in the area.
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