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It might not have anything to do with perceptions of disc golfers. It might just be someone running a "business"---charging disc golfers---on property not zoned for it, and a neighbor willing to file a complaint about it. Just speculation, of course. But more speculation is that, if the Bucksnort owner can't work things out, the word will get out; he hasn't been shy about his opinions in the past. (But if he does work things out, he might wisely withhold comment, to not stir things up).
 
Good point. Pure speculation on my part. But as long as I'm at it...

I suppose it's quite removed from the high traffic of suburbia. Not hard to imagine someone buying a place out there specifically to get away from it all, that doesn't appreciate the amount of traffic a top 10 course generates. So they look for ways to greatly reduce (if not eliminate) that traffic. :\

I suppose your situation with Stoney Hill is a bit different
 
Yes.

Our main differences are (1) so little traffic, outside of tournaments, as to be unnoticeable and (2) we don't charge money to play, though we do accept donations. If it came to it, we would take the stance that it's little different than a basketball court in the driveway, or a volleyball net in the back yard, except a lot more work.

We also avoided using areas of our property close enough to our neighbors homes that they might see disc golfers, or even hear people walking near their property lines and near enough their homes to be concerned.

We have good relations with our neighbors. But if we didn't---if, say, we had a spat over something unrelated, a dog running loose or something---it would always be possible that they'd raise any sorts of issues they could. Since Bucksnort cites a complaint, and not just county action, I wonder if something of the sort was involved there.
 
I hit Hobbs over the weekend. Wow, what a course. That makes 3 top 25 courses played in a month span. Should have been 5 top 25 courses, but Selah was closed to the public for am world doubles when I showed up at 8 am on a Friday morning. :(

of the 3 I played, IMO I preliminary have it.
Hobbs (by a wide margin)
Harmon Hills
Lake Claiborne


thrembo said:
Hobbs just got another 5 disc review bringing its overall up to 4.66. I would say Tyus is a "should play" and Hobbs as a "must play". I also liked Freedom better than Tyus, but they are two different kinds of courses.
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wellsbranch250 said:
I hit Hobbs over the weekend. Wow, what a course. That makes 3 top 25 courses played in a month span. Should have been 5 top 25 courses, but Selah was closed to the public for am world doubles when I showed up at 8 am on a Friday morning. :(

of the 3 I played, IMO I preliminary have it.
Hobbs (by a wide margin)
Harmon Hills
Lake Claiborne
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You could get another one (top 25) fairly easily. Langley Pond in SC near Augusta Ga.
 
DavidSauls said:
Yes.

Our main differences are (1) so little traffic, outside of tournaments, as to be unnoticeable and (2) we don't charge money to play, though we do accept donations. If it came to it, we would take the stance that it's little different than a basketball court in the driveway, or a volleyball net in the back yard, except a lot more work.

We also avoided using areas of our property close enough to our neighbors homes that they might see disc golfers, or even hear people walking near their property lines and near enough their homes to be concerned.

We have good relations with our neighbors. But if we didn't---if, say, we had a spat over something unrelated, a dog running loose or something---it would always be possible that they'd raise any sorts of issues they could. Since Bucksnort cites a complaint, and not just county action, I wonder if something of the sort was involved there.
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Lots to consider in regards to all of this.

I'm hoping I'm far enough out, and far enough from my nearest neighbor that when/if people start coming to play at my place that it doesn't become an issue. I may have to tweak a certain hole or two that play near some property lines, but it's something I've already thought about some.

I tried to play Phantom and Bucksnort a few years ago but couldn't find another 2 people to fill out a foursome.(and I wasn't about to pay 40/person for a round of dg.) Bummed it's gone even if I never had the chance to play it.
 
Legally there is a big difference between asking for donations vs pay 2 play.
 
Tripper said:
The differences are all about liability. If you charge to play, it is considered a business and you assume liability for customers and employees safety. I know that is overly simplistic but that is the jist.
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Pretty much.

If you aren't charging, visitors can be considered guests.

Which reminds me, I need to look into waivers and such for my place.
 
InnocentCrook said:
Pretty much.

If you aren't charging, visitors can be considered guests.

Which reminds me, I need to look into waivers and such for my place.
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Considering the terrain of your course, I would double down and also get a couple "Play at your own risk" signs. That way you are covered if someone gets on the course while you're not there or sleeping or something.:thmbup:
 
Right with pay 2 play, you have to go through zoning permits and insurance and will be considered a commercial operation. It's amazing how many different kinds of zoning permits we went through. We are permitted along the lines of a country club and allowed to have concerts and sell beer, but for whatever reason camping is not allowed, but we were allowed with the previous permit.

Donations are more along the lines of considered friends and family.
 
Tripper said:
The differences are all about liability. If you charge to play, it is considered a business and you assume liability for customers and employees safety. I know that is overly simplistic but that is the jist.
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Yes, and more. If it's considered a business, you might be required to have a business license. More importantly, the land might have to have a zoning change to allow a business to be conducted there.

If you lots of visitors, there might be issues, even if it's not a business. (We're very safe in this regard---I think 1 visitor in the past 2 months).

Some places have much stricter enforcement than others. And some neighbors are certainly worse than others.
 
brutalbrutus said:
Considering the terrain of your course, I would double down and also get a couple "Play at your own risk" signs. That way you are covered if someone gets on the course while you're not there or sleeping or something.:thmbup:
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This. Especially when an exhausted fat man attempts to use the basket on your signature hole as support when retrieving his putt...
 
tbird888 said:
This. Especially when an exhausted fat man attempts to use the basket on your signature hole as support when retrieving his putt...
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Play my course a couple times a week and the pounds will melt away.

l was doing some work all over the property last weekend and at the end of the day my fitbit had the following stats:

30k+ steps
75 flights of stairs
13 + miles.

It's truly become my workout routine.
 
InnocentCrook said:
Play my course a couple times a week and the pounds will melt away.

l was doing some work all over the property last weekend and at the end of the day my fitbit had the following stats:

30k+ steps
75 flights of stairs
13 + miles.

It's truly become my workout routine.
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We'll see about that. I'm going to try and make your next work day.
 
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