Should an uphill 600+ ft hole be a par 3?

[mashnut]

Everything as a Par 3 is just easier for keeping score. I personally don't measure how good my round was against what the course par is but against what my competitors shot, my historical scores and how I felt I played (did I miss any putts, shank a drive etc.)

The issue is that scorekeeping techniques have nothing to do with par. I use that trick too, it's easier to keep track of your strokes by counting above or below 3 on every hole. That doesn't mean that everything is par 3, there are lots of really good reasons for consistently applying a real par standard to our courses that includes par 4 and 5 holes.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Perhaps each Casual Friday should be lively discussions about par.

 

[DiscGolfCraig]

They should have had a Q & A forum at the Worlds last month. It could have featured such issues as 'open vs wooded holes' and 'what is par.' That would have been some good entertainment.

 

[DavidSauls]

Perhaps each Casual Friday should be lively discussions about par.

Yeah! Like "Hole-of-the-Day", this site can have a "Par-Debate-of-the-Week" thread. Everyone hold their new arguments for their old positions until Friday, and let loose!

 

[tistoude]

The issue is that scorekeeping techniques have nothing to do with par. I use that trick too, it's easier to keep track of your strokes by counting above or below 3 on every hole. That doesn't mean that everything is par 3, there are lots of really good reasons for consistently applying a real par standard to our courses that includes par 4 and 5 holes.

That is why earlier in my post I said par is important when designing the holes.

The quote of mine that you used applies only when I am playing.

 

[steinkecm]

Ultimately, yes, it's the number of throws. However, if I'm looking at a 600 foot hole, and it's listed as a par 4, I'm going to know it plays longer than 600.

They're helpful in a certain sense. But really, we should all just stop whining and go play disc golf. Who's with me?

(After work...)

 

[Elderberen]

Ultimately, yes, it's the number of throws. However, if I'm looking at a 600 foot hole, and it's listed as a par 4, I'm going to know it plays longer than 600.

They're helpful in a certain sense. But really, we should all just stop whining and go play disc golf. Who's with me?

(After work...)

yes lets all go and play some disc golf and stop this endless banter of par.......

 

[BogeyNoMore]

stop it. please... just stop already.

 

[MacDaddy]

Spot on!

Yes folks, this seems to be a monthly discussion topic. I've only been on here this year, but...
1) your score is your score
2) comparisons should only be made on identical setups, tees, etc.
3) for competitive players, it's easiest to keep score by counting over or under 3 for each hole
4) there are many resources for comparing dissimilar courses, holes, and results (scratch scoring averages, pdga round ratings, and par guidelines)

I usually just like to go out and play, but I do keep my score. I list them here in my score book using the closest approximation to the tee I played.

On almost every course, I look for (or change) the 'par' to 3, but not when a course is competition level (Idlewild, Mt. Airy). I also have looked at par guidelines, and made myself a little chart of the local courses, rating them as 'novice' through 'pro', so, when my daughter expresses an interest in going out for a round, I choose one that's close to her skill level, so she stays encouraged.

My advice: use whatever keeps you motivated and having fun!

This guy has it right! :thmbup:

 

[jhgonzo]

No discourse on the disc course

 

[magictenor1]

^I know. I just wanted to introduce some logic... maybe it will rub off.
DSCJNKY

I commend your efforts sir. hopeless but commendable

 

[PhattD]

"easier to play every hole par 3" if you're either a professional level player or playing really, really easy courses.

How does what par is set at change how you play the hole? If you mean easier to get par or lower then it's easier to play everything as par 7's.

 

[Jax11]

On certain holes an accurate and listed par is a reflection of the course or hole designer. If the designer is intelligent, it lends to a certain insight regarding how the designer intended the hole to be played. This particularly rings true when the designer has factored in landing zones and shaped a fairway a certain way so that a disc cannot possibly be thrown the length of it.

A great example of what I am talking about is shown here at the new course that was put in in Marengo, IL. There is no way in hell that holes #5 and hole #11 can be considered par 3's.

Link: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=4559

So I guess what I am getting at is that par is not relative towards keeping score, but rather its important to reflect intelligent course design and how the hole is "supposed" to be played.

My final statement: There are far too many par 4's and 5's that should be 3's, and we need more par 4's and 5's that reward placement shots in order to do away with this, "everything is a par 3" mentality.

 

[RUSSELL]

"easier to play every hole par 3" if you're either a professional level player or playing really, really easy courses.

... easier to keep score.

 

[RUSSELL]

How does what par is set at change how you play the hole? If you mean easier to get par or lower then it's easier to play everything as par 7's.

yes :thmbup:

 

[Olorin]

:wall: For the umpteen millionth time:
Why par is necessary

Has this ever changed anyone's mind? If so, I'd be gratified to hear it. Does anyone out there ever listen?

While I'm at it here is a proposal for a consistent standard for par:
Close Range Par

And for those new to DGCR check out What is Par?

 

[scarpfish]

Orolin hath responded. Thy thread is now complete.

 

[mashnut]

:wall: For the umpteen millionth time:
Why par is necessary

Has this ever changed anyone's mind? If so, I'd be gratified to hear it. Does anyone out there ever listen?

FWIW, I read that thread when I was new to DGCR. At the time, I was in the 'everything's a 3, par doesn't matter' camp, and the discussions there convinced me of the need for a consistently applied standard.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Had a really bad round the other day and I told my buddy I shot 8 over and he didnt really sympathize and he was like meh..... so I made it clear that I was 8 over course par and he was like holy $h*& thats terrible! its just eaiser to use numbers when talking about score.

 

[BionicRib]

FWIW, I read that thread when I was new to DGCR. At the time, I was in the 'everything's a 3, par doesn't matter' camp, and the discussions there convinced me of the need for a consistently applied standard.

Consistency in the implementation of par will also lessen the amount of these threads.............just sayin