The Magic

[HyzerUniBomber]

http://heavydisc.blogspot.com/2014/08/guess-what-im-doing.html

I am by no means DONE with fieldwork, I am still throwing pretty much everyday - but I am going to try to shore up a wider swath of my game. I feel like I can now hit 400' with much less effort and my fieldwork would probably do me better value to make sure my shorter game is on point, putting and I definitely need to work on ranging... 275' seems too easy to blow 30' past.

Throwing drives for distance 425'+ is showing that it's pretty hard on my body (bracing on my right knee, oddly BOTH elbows are mildly sore after a round)... so I'm going to try to keep the long stuff down to once a week and of course in rounds.

Thank you to each of you who helped me go from part 1 to part 200,518... without you guys, I would never have gotten there. You guys all know who you are and I very much appreciate it. If you're in Denver, I expect a PM so I can take you out for some beers (after a round of course).

 

[Dan Ensor]

Got a forehand? You can probably mix in distance forehands with your short game work if you don't have a serviceable forehand yet.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Got a forehand? You can probably mix in distance forehands with your short game work if you don't have a serviceable forehand yet.

I have a get outta trouble FH now. I started to have a really nice FH, but I seem to develop tennis elbow if I throw it much.

I actually think it started getting bad w/ tommies, and after that it doesn't take much FH to get the twinges to start. Sucks getting old - so I'm trying to do what I can to get a good 20 more years outta my body before I gotta move on to ball golf and shuffle board.

 

[sidewinder22]

Nice writeup, it's like a summary of DGR.

Beware when trying to bend the elbow too far though. Make sure the elbow doesn't lock out or hyper extend through the finish.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Nice writeup, it's like a summary of DGR.

Beware when trying to bend the elbow too far though. Make sure the elbow doesn't lock out or hyper extend through the finish.

Thanks - and I yeahhhh... I've felt it "bottom out" a few times and it put the fear of the disc gods into me. Would be a very easy way to end up playing shuffle board real quick.

 

[jljjdye]

Thanks - and I yeahhhh... I've felt it "bottom out" a few times and it put the fear of the disc gods into me. Would be a very easy way to end up playing shuffle board real quick.

This is how my bicep tore and rolled up in shoulder. Ended up with one alcoholic arm and one regular. I was standstill driving a putter. Had surgery next morning. Pretty painful injury

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

This is how my bicep tore and rolled up in shoulder. Ended up with one alcoholic arm and one regular. I was standstill driving a putter. Had surgery next morning. Pretty painful injury

That's just brutal. Point extra taken.

 

[BradC]

HUB - your write ups are great, thank you for taking the time. I've often thought my hand wasn't in the right position on the disc on the pull, this seems to verify that. Must get some film...

 

[The Mad Cow]

putting practice alone gets boring as hell for me personally.
i understand the need for it.... and try to keep it as entertaining as possible.
just for giggles, try FH flick putting.
throw it w/ anny so you get the chain deflection down into the basket.. and TRY not to blow by the whole basket on the shot.
doing this you improve the aim of your FH, while keeping it a low stress on the elbow shot.
just a thought bro. it's working out well for me this way. i usually putt from " no way i can miss " out to 75'. by alternating fh and bh sets, i could stay out in the back lot all day... and on the weekends, sometimes do.

 

[rhatton1]

Great write up - and as Sidewinder says it's like seeing 3 years of Discgolfreview threads condensed into one post. I think this is why towards the end of his DGR posting days Blake was pushing towards the rail theory as the best way of teaching as it should encourage your hand to stay on the right side of the disc for longer up until the "magic" happens.

On another note - does anyone know what's happened to Blake and DGR?

and on another note is Breckenridge near Denver? One of my best disc golfing friends (he pretty much taught me in my early days) has just moved out there and set up a couple of business - great guy to play a round with. At some point in the future I will definitely be flying out to stay for a while!

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Great write up - and as Sidewinder says it's like seeing 3 years of Discgolfreview threads condensed into one post. I think this is why towards the end of his DGR posting days Blake was pushing towards the rail theory as the best way of teaching as it should encourage your hand to stay on the right side of the disc for longer up until the "magic" happens.

On another note - does anyone know what's happened to Blake and DGR?

and on another note is Breckenridge near Denver? One of my best disc golfing friends (he pretty much taught me in my early days) has just moved out there and set up a couple of business - great guy to play a round with. At some point in the future I will definitely be flying out to stay for a while!

Thanks man, and I have no idea what happened to Blake. I am "friends" with Beto on FB, and it seems like he's moved over to music (playing guitar in a metal band) for the most part.

Breck is about an hour and half from Denver. Gorgeous town and a great place to visit.

Definitely hit me up when you roll through this way and we'll make something happen.

 

[slowplastic]

Great summary, so many of those key points are things that I've also discovered in the past while. Especially pull towards the armpit, that gives me the best flow/timing. I'm going to concentrate on keeping my hand on the outside a little bit more next time I'm out as well!

I have also had elbow pain occasionally when I don't throw "right"...for me it happens when I focus on the elbow chop, and I notice my follow through isn't as far/smooth as "normal". What I do is then concentrate on a shoulder swing to pull my arm around, rather than the elbow chop. This lets me arm flow, and usually also brings my power back to where it should be at. So for me, it's caused by my elbow wanting to hyper-extend rather than having the shoulder pull my arm fully around, allowing for a smooth deceleration after the throw.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Great summary, so many of those key points are things that I've also discovered in the past while. Especially pull towards the armpit, that gives me the best flow/timing. I'm going to concentrate on keeping my hand on the outside a little bit more next time I'm out as well!

I have also had elbow pain occasionally when I don't throw "right"...for me it happens when I focus on the elbow chop, and I notice my follow through isn't as far/smooth as "normal". What I do is then concentrate on a shoulder swing to pull my arm around, rather than the elbow chop. This lets me arm flow, and usually also brings my power back to where it should be at. So for me, it's caused by my elbow wanting to hyper-extend rather than having the shoulder pull my arm fully around, allowing for a smooth deceleration after the throw.

I think you're right... I threw some field work today, and after a good 100 or so 200' and in shots, started throwing some longer drives. I was sorta expecting some twinges, but I was back to throwing looser and a bit more focused on the whole system and I had no soreness or pain at all.

The hammer extension I think is the spot that causes the most issue, which unfortunately is a big part of the key to unlocking that movement.

I was able to get an Archon out to 438' (Google Earth) today, which felt fantastic because I honestly haven't thrown a driver for distance more than a handful of times (outside of golf rounds).

I am trying to find a driver that will like being thrown flat, handles the speed I am at, turns and fades in a nice balanced way. I was loving my Champ Tern (-2, 2) but lost it and this Archon is feeling very similar, if not just a bit more stable.

Kraits are requiring a little hyzer to fight off too much turn, as are my more worn in Beasts. I am not good at adding appropriate hyzer to get a balanaced turn/fade.

 

[sidewinder22]

Regarding elbow hyper extension... Go through the throwing motion kind of slow with a hammer or heavy object and release the weight of the hammer head to the target, but hold on through the finish. You will not(or shouldn't) let yourself fully extend to protect yourself.

 

[JedV]

putting practice alone gets boring as hell for me personally.
i understand the need for it.... and try to keep it as entertaining as possible.
just for giggles, try FH flick putting.
throw it w/ anny so you get the chain deflection down into the basket.. and TRY not to blow by the whole basket on the shot.
doing this you improve the aim of your FH, while keeping it a low stress on the elbow shot.
just a thought bro. it's working out well for me this way. i usually putt from " no way i can miss " out to 75'. by alternating fh and bh sets, i could stay out in the back lot all day... and on the weekends, sometimes do.

Coincidentally I did this on the weekend. It was awesome practice.

 

[rhatton1]

On another note - does anyone know what's happened to Blake and DGR?

It would appear disc golf review forums are back up and running! :clap:There's not an physics dissertation yet from JR though so it's not quite back to normal...

 

[mick]

Great write-up HUB! I really appreciate the work you've put into your personal quest and how you are sharing it with the masses. My head is usually swimming with TMI after scrolling through all the technique posts on all the forums. Bravo! :clap:

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Thanks mick - I am actually buzzing right now because I just threw my lunch time fieldwork and threw what was no doubt the longest shot of my life.

This morning I put my ancient Star RoadRunner in my bag for some reason, even though it was warped. Right at the end of my session I decided to throw a few longer shots and tried hyzer flipping a few discs and then grabbed the RR.

Got it really far out front of me on a pretty stout angle and it went 447' by google earth and 449' by daft logichttp://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm
and it hit the last tree along the edge of the park.

I tried to hyzer flip a champ krait and got less turn and more fade but about 440'.

I have been avoiding hyzer flips for a long time because I feel like I never know where they are going - but that was just really fun and felt really good.

So I'll officially go get a measurement string and see if these maps are close to real distances, but even if it was some other distance, I have been throwing at this goose crap park for 13 months straight and never thrown this far!!!!

 

[mick]

Nice toss! You'll be hitting 500' in no time.

 

[rhatton1]

Having just put a course in I used an expensive laser range finder for all the measurements - it turned out that I was within a meter on every hole having used google maps for the rough drafts. It is a lot more accurate than you would think as long as you have decent land marks to measure by.

I've just had some similar great practice sessions where I decided to look back at all the advice I have given to others over the last year and go completely back to basics (right pec drill and all the other drills and techniques etc + some of SW22 leg bracing ones) and then made sure to implement it myself, to get rid off the old form with its ingrained bad habits and start from scratch (easier said than done as I tend to be more of a keyboard warrior these days than actually getting out and about throwing!) .

A week of this led on Tuesday to my longest ever throw, getting on for 500'(I had the laser finder with me, the tree it flew past that i measured to was 460' it had landed about 10 meters past this in thick rough - so no skip - getting on for close to 500' through the air on flat ground, previous best in a comp a the end of a tournament 4 years ago and been 140 meters so around 460')

I had forced myself whilst relearning to just throw flat shots or hyzers, not to try annys as these were what led to many bad habits years ago. As the flat shots went further and further during the week and I started to feel the old familiar heaviness of the disc triggering the wrist extension and the palm push/ejection again (this feeling had been missing for quite some time) i decided to allow myself a couple of longer high annys and boom, effortless and far. God it feels good again.

What this whole process showed me was that I wasn't doing what i thought I was doing in the drive and what I teach other people to do. One video taken recently from a round showed me quite how bad my own form had become. Turned out my off arm was doing crazy things, I wasn't keeping my hand on the outside of the disc, I wasn't bracing against the front leg very well (albeit better than I had been last year) , I was shoulder spinning, even rounding (ugh) was to stiff and tense and was strongarming to an extent. I had made a load of videos about these things for other people for gods sake and here I was doing them myself :wall:

Thank you HUB for your very motivational articles - they have finally made me go back and work on my own form in the field in a way I should have done years ago but was just too lazy to do properly.

Now here's hoping I can convert this improvement to the course and that the impending arrival of a baby doesn't throw me out for the next 4 years...