How to gain putt distance

[simes549]

I use the Feldberg / Wysocki push putt style. Over the winter I really worked on making 15 to 19 foot putts. Now in practice I make 4 to 5 out of 5 putts from 20 feet consistently. But I can't seem to make more than 1 out of 5 from 25 feet and farther out is worse. Most putts are on target, just to low, like under my skills hot basket. Honestly I feel like they are about 4 feet short. I saw the recent Wysocki video where he bends his back leg to generate more power. Sadly, this is not working for me. Could it be a timing issue and something I need to work on to get right to gain the right timing?

 

[DiscinFiend]

I "push putt" (or shovel putt as Feldberg calls it) & I've based my putting technique on Feldbergs. I had the same problem you are having when I switched from "spin" to "push putting". My advice is just keep practicing. The more I practiced putting the easier it became to make longer putts. Though I remember specially focusing on my weight transfer. With push putting you really need to use your body to generate power, as opposed to spin putting which is more your wrist/arm. In Feldbergs 50 minute long putting video he goes over practicing holding the "finishing position" then bending down to pick up another disc. That part helped me out a lot. The more I practiced the more my balance improved. The more my balance improved the easier it became to put more force behind my putt with my weight tranfer. Also remember that at a certain distance (different for everyone) it becomes very difficult to get enough power behind a push putt to make it to the basket. So a lot of people tend to start to change their putting technique at long distances. Some people just flat out spin putt at long range & others do more of a hybrid spin/push putt. And if your outside the circle you can step or jump putt as well. I personally push putt to about 40 feet then I step putt. Just some things to consider.

(23:45 The balance & "finishing position" I referenced)

 

[DougCrawford]

I ended up switching from a push to a spin/push, almost a copy of Ricky's style and it helped tons with longer distances. The things I had to focus on were a slight hyzer release, nose up, and a low release. You will have to give it a little wrist snap for some spin, but not tons. That last putting clinic on YouTube that Ricky did made something click about the arm and leg moving together. Here's last week from 36 feet, 8/10 and one of those should have been in- later that day made 4 putts over 50ft in 2 rounds

http://youtu.be/8S8Ap7Ckz-k

 

[hook_nuts]

Have you tried fapping 4-5 times a day to increase your wrist strength? I gained about 20 foot on my standstill putt. 50+ foot on my jump putt. It's a hassle, but all about those gains.

 

[DiscFifty]

Keep in mind, most push putters seem to slide towards spin/spush the further out they are. So one way to gain more distance is to spin/spush once you're at a certain distance. I tend to spush all the time and a drill that helped me gain distance is simply throwing 10-15 or so from 20ft, 30ft, 40ft, 50ft, 60ft. Not really worrying about accuracy, just trying to get it close, hit metal, etc from each distance. After a while (days or weeks), you'll be on the course from about 50ft or so and you'll have alot more confidence going for it instead of laying up.

 

[DiscJunkie]

The most efficient way to gain distance is to exaggerate the weight shift.

 

[joecoin]

Have you tried fapping 4-5 times a day to increase your wrist strength? I gained about 20 foot on my standstill putt. 50+ foot on my jump putt. It's a hassle, but all about those gains.

So you actually sacrificed by decreasing from 10-11 times a day? What a dedicated soldier!

 

[araytx]

Seriously.

Don't change much with the upper body... it's more leg, more leg, like Junkie said. At 20 ft you should be hardly using any leg at all.

 

[slicknic007]

I use the Feldberg / Wysocki push putt style. Over the winter I really worked on making 15 to 19 foot putts. Now in practice I make 4 to 5 out of 5 putts from 20 feet consistently. But I can't seem to make more than 1 out of 5 from 25 feet and farther out is worse. Most putts are on target, just to low, like under my skills hot basket. Honestly I feel like they are about 4 feet short. I saw the recent Wysocki video where he bends his back leg to generate more power. Sadly, this is not working for me. Could it be a timing issue and something I need to work on to get right to gain the right timing?

Here is what has worked for me. I noticed that I was having the same problem as you are. My putts were dead on from 20ish feet and after that, they were either on target and low, or they were coming out slightly early. When they fell short, they travelled the same arc as my other shorter putts, I just couldn't extend my arc farther. I tried putting faster, this increased velocity but took away accuracy. My putts that came out early I noticed were due to me not gripping the putter tight enough. I increased my grip and BAM, more distance. The increased grip increased the finger spring which helped eject the disc faster.

After that, I noticed that on longer putts I would still try to move my arm faster for extra distance and the accuracy issues came back. Believe it or not, slowing down with increased grip pressure is what the key is. You still have the acceleration at the end of the putt but your timing and control is so much better. And lastly, because I catch myself doing this as well on occasion, reach out to the basket. I put a stack of putters on top of my basket, putt myself far enough away to where I really had to reach to grab one while still staying balanced. I would go through my putting motion and extend out and grab the discs one at a time. Then I would put them back up top until my extension at the end of my putts were muscle memory. Hopefully this helps you overcome your issues like it has helped me.

 

[ohtobediscing]

How to gain putt distance?

Blow your approach shots.

 

[Pbmercil]

At 25 feet push putting shouldn't be any problem. Its at 35-40 at pure push putting gets hard to get all the way to the basket.

Probably your biggest problem is that the apex of the flight of the disc isn't high enough. The majority of pure push putters from 25 feet will have the apex of the flight above the basket by some amount. Odds are pretty good if your missing low from 25 the disc is peaking in line with the chains and dropping to/below the tray by the time it gets there. It should be a simple height adjustment to start draining them. Any technique change is uneeded until you figure this out.

All the stuff about spush putting and wrist snap or whatever is really putting the cart before the horse.

 

[simes549]

How to gain putt distance?

Blow your approach shots.

Yeah, I do that...a lot.

What I did tonight was start with 30 footers. Worked on getting more push off my back leg, which I really did not need, or do, at 20 foot. Once I did that and adjusted my apex for the distance, I started making 30 foot putts. Then 25 footers did not seem do long. Probably made about 30% from 30 foot and 60% from 25 foot.

I have a way to go, but for the first time 30 foot putts did not seem beyond my range and I made a couple 35 footers. I'm focusing more on getting my arm and leg working in concert while releasing the disc on a trajectory that will take it, hopefully, to the pole.

 

[simes549]

Also, I was very tempted to foot fault tonight, just to get the leg motion going and I am happy to say I did not do that. Most times I was standing with both feet on the ground, behind the line as the disc went in or landed.

 

[stratedge]

Everything here is pretty focused on more power but if you're hitting the basket there's 2 variables in that, power and the arc of the shot. Obviously if you aim higher, it goes higher, but I raise this point because I think early on when you watch videos of top pros putting it can be misleading to make you think that your putts need to be very flat horizontally and you aim straight into the chains from outside the circle. Really it's about finding the right arc at 20+ feet and the arc increases almost exponentially as you go further out.

So for example, at 20ft I aim straight into the chains, 30 feet I'm going at the top of the basket (chastity belt) and using enough power such that the disc apex is right in front of the basket, falling for the last few feet. 40 feet, maybe a foot above with an apex 2/3rds of the way, 60 foot jump putts I'm going about 5 feet higher than the basket, and I'm aiming more for falling in the basket now, than the chains.

I always figured that I and the best players I knew locally just didn't have the power in our putts and/or the glide in our putters like the top pros, but a couple months ago I finally got to go to an NT event and play along side them. I spent some time practice putting at the same basket as Ricky Wysocki, arguably the 2nd best putter in the world right now, and it sort of confirmed for me that the videos were misleading, at least to me. If anything, he actually had more arc in his putts than I did even from 40 feet. Only saw McBeth practice short putts, but if you watch these 2 in this video where there's lots of good head-on angles of their putts, you can really see the arc is nothing to be ashamed of, they both do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNrJooN8zqg

 

[BENFTS]

Have you tried fapping 4-5 times a day to increase your wrist strength? I gained about 20 foot on my standstill putt. 50+ foot on my jump putt. It's a hassle, but all about those gains.

We all thought it but you said it lol :hfive:

 

[OB Four]

I would suggest you take a video of your putting and pay specific attention to your putts that are coming up short. In my opinion it can mean one or more things. The thing I've found when I'm coming up short is that I'm not releasing at the proper height, which usually is somewhere b/t shoulder to eye level depending on your swing. The other thing I've found that helped my putting velocity and therefore distance, was the smoothness of my putting swing. If it's jerky or overly fast it's usually not a smooth putt and I'm usually not getting good velocity.

 

[simes549]

Thanks everyone. The wind tonight reminded me I have a long way to go. Lolol

But I did practice technique and fought old habits, which may be my biggest issue. I need to tape and review my practice to see the areas I struggle with that I miss. Tape dont lie.

Coming from last season where any putt over 15 was pretty much a pray putt, I do feel a lot more confident in my putting. Biggest issue tonight (besides the wind) seemed to be left to right aim. Some of that was wind I'm sure and most of it was me hurrying as I got out late and was running out of sunlight. But making sure I hit the right apex will go a long way in my improvement.

 

[Nasty Nate]

Have you tried fapping 4-5 times a day to increase your wrist strength? I gained about 20 foot on my standstill putt. 50+ foot on my jump putt. It's a hassle, but all about those gains.

I use lefty so I have seen no gains in my putting

Haha seriously though this made me laugh. Good stuff :thmbup:

 

[mrosjnur]

Maybe try cocking your wrist some, I get a bit more spin in my push putts by holding my hand more on a 12' o clock position rather than 2-3 o'clock? And get the disc lower and closer to you front leg on the down swing so you push it from within you if that makes sense. When I get the disc lower, it is easier to get more air instead of pushing it straigh to the basket (thus making it hit low often)

 

[DGHippie]

Gateway sells some super heavy wizards. Like 260-300 grams. It could help to practice with those for a while to develop a stronger putting motion. On the flipside, it might just reinforce bad habits. You're probably better off just using your legs more when you putt. Try putting your back leg a bit further behind you, so you have to shift your weight a little more significantly.