I agree, Vibram struggled with consistency as much as any other company. But they are running one more batch of multi-colored discs... so not quite out of production yet.
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[Question] Most Consistent Production
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I agree, Vibram struggled with consistency as much as any other company. But they are running one more batch of multi-colored discs... so not quite out of production yet.
Oh no, even their OOP status isn't consistent! 
I hadn't heard that, interesting. Was that always the plan, or has the final run been prompted by public request?
I hadn't heard that, interesting. Was that always the plan, or has the final run been prompted by public request?
It was planned... but only if they saw enough dealer interest.
biscoe
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even worse in my limited experience.
That's really the biggest contributor to Innova's inconsistency, they are constantly monkeying around with molds and having not just discs like the Starfire and Eagle with L versions unadvertised but also sneaking plus rims onto discs like Valks. Gateway is infamous for inconsistency b/c they're always monkeying with plastic blends.
Yeah, it is what it is. I think all in all, the difference in consistency is pretty negligible among manufacturers. I don't think Discraft is all that better than "terrible" Trilogy. I mean, they've made Cyclones and Putt'Rs with like negative glide (Z plastic) and Ti discs with Predator camouflage. Oh no, my Trilogy driver is flippier than the other one, well yeah try throwing some XLs and Avenger SS's and not seeing much variation. Just shut up and throw.Injection molding= very inconsistent mode of production. End thread.
Casey 1988
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As to those with Destroyers, I prefer a Champion as the big runs are less as the disc is much less popular then the Star/Pro/G Star models so the Champion plastic will be more consistent then the others. Also Champion is more consistent then most Innova plastic except the DX plastic and some disc in G Star that are not as popular as the Destroyer.
Twmccoy
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I've never thrown a good champion Destroyer. They don't fly anything like stars. Champ Destroyers are massively beefy and glideless.
Star Destroyers are known for being inconsistent. Choosing a champ Destroyer over stars in this case won't really help you.
Baseballadp
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My champ destroyer was more OS than my firebirds (throwing rhfh). My star destroyer was exactly what the numbers said. I liked the Champ for really big mandos but I always ended up using a firebird and eventually trading it for a putter or 2 because it had no use unlike my star destroyer
PBokor
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Nominated for the quote of the year (though a footnote might be warranted). :thmbup:
gammaxgoblin
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Been reading replies...So is it possible, by looking at the specs of the PDGA approved list, to determine which discs use the same top or bottom? As im typing I realize that rim concavity isnt specified, I could be mistaken, which means its not possible totally. The follow up thought...Is there a guy or data at Innova, for example, that knows exactly which tops/bottom molds are used on which discs? Is there a core list of say 10-15 (pick a #) of tops and another for bottoms which are not varied from and that is what most of the discs ended up being?
broomerang
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Not possible to determine from PDGA approval specs. There is a list I would imagine. With all the discs they've made no one could remember every top/bottom combo over the years.
The real question is which top/bottom combos are known by the general public. I know Innova has be outright in some cases, but in other cases they have not declared the mold details.
The real question is which top/bottom combos are known by the general public. I know Innova has be outright in some cases, but in other cases they have not declared the mold details.
Oh goodness, talk about opening up a can of worms! This topic is discussed a lot across various threads, but I'm not sure if there's one master list anywhere.
Here are a few off the top of my head:
- The same bottom wing piece are shared by Firebird (the regular one, not FL), OLF (a Millenium disc molded by Innova), PD (a Discmania disc molded by Innova), and Thunderbird
- CD2 (Discmania) uses the Valkyrie bottom with Discmania's "Anhyzer Top"
- DD (Discmania) uses the Wraith bottom with Discmania's "Anhyzer Top"
- Exodus (Infinite Discs, molded by Innova) is actually just a re-branded Eagle L...top and bottom.
...That's really just scratching the surface. I'm sure the complete list would be a mile long. HyzerBomb discs are also molded by Innova; there are probably similar examples there. So in summary: yes, there's a lot of mix & match, even looking between certain brands in some cases.
One place with some decent information would be the Official Ask Discmania Thread. Anything in there from the Discmania accounts is almost certainly correct, and they are typically pretty forthcoming about what mold pieces are shared.
Aside from that, if you're interested in specific molds/parts, you can search for them directly. For example, try searching "Wraith mold" or "Anhyzer Top" or "Destroyer wing" and see what pops up. I'm sure there are mountains of information on here but you might have to dig a little.
Being that there is no real consensus, it strikes me that no company is exceptionally consistent. To me this argues that Mint Discs nailed it in their approach.
Admit that you can't be perfect even for colors within the same run and do what you can to help everyone figure out which run and color might be best for their game.
Admit that you can't be perfect even for colors within the same run and do what you can to help everyone figure out which run and color might be best for their game.
jakebake91
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Injection molding= very inconsistent mode of production. End thread.
As someone who builds/repairs plastic injection molds for a living, i disagree.
Its not easy, and seldom done, but plastic parts can be molded up with decent precision and repeatability. You just have to control the variables. And you CAN. Its just a matter of cost and how much a company really even cares to do so.
I personally know of a company that molds millions of the same parts in year, and the parts hold tolerances under +/- .003".
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Injection molding= very inconsistent mode of production. End thread.
Medical parts with flashing measured in .001mm are being produced..weird?
ThomasOrion
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In all my experience. I'd say MVP/Axiom has been the best with consistent shape/dome/flight/ and NO FLASHING!!! But I have come across discs in the same plastic a little different, so NOT flawless, but in all my discin' days its been the most reliable.
jakebake91
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My vote is also mvp/axiom. Which imo is even more impressive considering the extra variables in their process.
jakebake91
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That seems like a made up statement. .001" (inch) id buy. .001mm is .000039". No process is holding that.. Sorry Aim.
tbird888
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I don't get the issue really. I've found that most of the inconsistencies are easily adjusted to when we're talking about a bunch of hacks pretending they're 1050 rated. It's not like McBeth and the rest of the talent on tour are worried about it. Stop blaming your equipment and start practicing more.
Coincidentally, the company I've personally experienced the biggest consistency gap is the one most praise. MVP/Axiom. The difference I've found between Craves is insane. While there are two types of them I've found (larger sample than 2), one flies like a TeeBird with a late turn. The other is like an Archangel that's been thrown 5000 times. Sh*t happens.
Coincidentally, the company I've personally experienced the biggest consistency gap is the one most praise. MVP/Axiom. The difference I've found between Craves is insane. While there are two types of them I've found (larger sample than 2), one flies like a TeeBird with a late turn. The other is like an Archangel that's been thrown 5000 times. Sh*t happens.
