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Camden Park - I

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wolfhaley
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Experience: 19.9 years 970 played 542 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 10, 2023 Played the course:once

Pros:

Camden I, the OG course onsite, is the more beginner friendly of the two. That being said, it's no walk in the park, except for the first 5 holes. That is kind of a walk in the park. A very hilly park. From hole 6 on though you're in the woods. Lots of elevation here too so don't think this is just you're standar park style course.

The tees are concrete. Not the largest or longest things you'll see be plenty serviceable. One tee pad per hole. All were still in pretty good shape and worked fine. No complaints with these.

Mach III baskets that are still in good shape. They're showing some signs of age but overall get the job done just fine. There's at least two, but usually three pin placements per hole. I'd assume they're usually set up in the shorts during the cooler months just like C2. Most were in the longs in early August.

The first 5 holes, and really the first shot on hole 6 are all pretty much wide open. Lots of elevation on these though, and the wind can wreak havoc if you're not careful. Hole's 3 and 4's basket is placed on a berm (3) or the edge of that berm (4). You'd better be confident running your putt because if you miss you'll be lucky to have a makeable comebacker.

From hole 7 through 16 you're in the woods. Lots of elevation in this section too. Skinny lines on quite a few holes with the creek winding through a number of them too. The distances are shorter on a lot of these but don't be fooled. If you're not on your game these holes can get on top of you quick. Holes 17 and 18 are still "wooded" but it's much tamer than what came before it.

The tee signs are nice. Basic hole map, hole #, pars and distances to either pin location and any applicable OB shown. Like C2, they show what pin is in place albeit a bit differently, but just as effectively. On the bottom left of the sign there's a box for "current pin spot". There's a bolt attached here with a colored washer showing what pin is currently set up. Always love to see some way to show this.

The course starts and ends right by the parking lot, there's practice baskets and a restroom by the lot too. The course is up year round and free to play. Very clean property and this course stays away from other activities minus a walking trail.

Cons:

A few of the holes had some unrealistic lines. Most of this seemed to be because of the woods growing in over the years and pinching some lines. Some of the other ones are just questionable hole shapes themselves. I wasn't a fan of a number of the wooded holes due to this.

The first five holes are kind of bland, filler type stuff. I get that there's only so much room to work with here but these still felt forced. At least there is elevation on 3 of the 5 so those have a little challenge.

The rough is pretty awful in a lot of spots off the fairway out here. Lose of plastic is a very real possibility, lose of blood searching in here is almost assured.

Some odd transitions between holes. It's easy enough to figure out if you make a wrong turn, but having a map available would be advised. That and some more next tee signs.

Other Thoughts:

This course is the original of the two here, and it's pretty obvious after playing them both on the same day for the first time. Camden I has that old school course vibe which I generally like. This one was still fun but also frustrating in spots. A little trimming would make a big difference out here. As is, it's still a fun course and is worth a visit if you're in the area. Makes a good one-two punch with it's little (bigger) brother on-site. I'll play it again, good course.
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ALitt
Experience: 24 played 3 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Fun course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 13, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Combination of both open/wooded, flat/hilly holes here. A little bit of everything.

Cons:

This course doesn't seem to drain well after a good rain - particularly on #5, 6, and 7. It can get soggy. The tee pad for 7 can end up an island surrounded by mud.

Other Thoughts:

Love having the choice between two courses here, or the choice of playing them both.
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blkwizardsonny
Experience: 21.9 years 88 played 5 reviews
3.00 star(s)

funner than it looked 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 2, 2013 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

Very fun little course . Every hole is reachable but one .Lots of holes in the open but with slick greens,bunch of ace runs ,great course right next door ,plays fast

Cons:

not many bathrooms,could see it being kinda boring if played all the time ,not enough distance or bomber shots

Other Thoughts:

Really nice having this course and camden 2 on same property warm up at cam1 then good luck on cam2 . very nice destination
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IHearChains
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 19.8 years 211 played 34 reviews
3.00 star(s)

decent as a complement to Camden II 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 21, 2012 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This is the older brother of the awesome Camden II course. Camden I is nowhere near as good, but having both in the same park is an advantage because Camden I does add to the overall variety of holes by including a number of open holes on the hills where wind can be a huge factor.

It is a hilly course, only a couple of holes lack elevation change. The first 6 are mostly open, and then after that it varies from scattered trees to tunnel fairways through denser woods. Hole 6 was redesigned in the last couple years; it is now a legitimate par 4 hole playing along a meandering creek. It is a great hole, that starts out wide open but requires a little attention to placement of the drive in order to have a chance to approach cleanly for a 3. The approach has to cross the creek, which has some steep gully walls, so there is good risk/reward and trying to park the approach can add a couple strokes from a bad lie if you come up short. This is followed by a tough tunnel shot on hole 7. Holes 6,7 are the highlights of the course. Most of the rest of the course is made up of standard holes with decent variety, and a lot of deuce opportunities. Several holes call for midrange off the tee.

Cons:

The course can be crowded, so its best played in mornings or weekdays.

Tons of rec players frequent this course and some of them have no understanding of course etiquette or cleaning up after themselves, so the course is sometimes not in the best shape. However the silver lining of that is that having this course side-by-side with Camden II draws those problems away from the great Camden II course.
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4_Of_Spades
Experience: 15.8 years 36 played 28 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Camden I- The Good Cop 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 16, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

Biggest hills in Illinois I have seen.

Easier of the two courses, more open with some moderate to kind of dense woods.

Some good holes with nice elevation but lacked obstacles.

Nice layout and a good warm up for 'the other side.'

Good signs on most holes, good baskets with good practice basket space.

Locals were nice and informative.

Cons:

Course seemed very short after the first few open holes on the hill. A lot of 150' to 250' holes on the back nine.

Some signs missing, but we followed a nice group in front of us.

Was expecting some more length and shot variety on Camden I, but 'the other side' more than makes up for it.

Tended to favor RHBH throws.

Some minor hole overlap and close fairways could be a problem.

Not many obstacles in the open and moderately wooded holes which made them fairly easy.

Other Thoughts:

If you stand at the SE parking lot between the courses, you can hear Camden I on your right saying "You want a nice relaxing and fun day of disc golf don't you? Please choose me and you can get as many birdies and pars as your heart desires! I won't punish your bad throws and I'll make sure the holes are nice, visible and make-able so you feel good about your skills :)"

But, on your left you hear Camden II beckon you over to the other side and say "Why don't you man up and stop playing that busch league crap you call disc golf. Let's see where you really stand and if you even deserve to play this game. So what if I have a few trees shaping every shot and a huge ravine pit that eats your plastic, this is how disc golf was meant to be played. If you don't like it then you should go back to ball golf with your little sand boxes, nicely mowed grass, and reserved tee times at the country club. Now is the time where you become a man and prove why you deserve to throw this plastic >:D"

If you think I'm crazy go and play these courses for yourself!
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Iowa420DG
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 13.1 years 457 played 41 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Very fun course! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 11, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course tested a variety of shots, including massive elevation changes, short finesse shots, steep uphill, heavily wooded, and open. The first 5 holes are pretty wooded, and hole 4 is very intriguing - you have to see it to understand.

Cons:

This course is one hell of a hike! The elevation changes create a nice burn in the calves. The pars marked on the tee signs are far too lenient. Almost all holes are par 4 or par 5, with a majority of them being less than 400'. I don't quite understand 250' par 4's, but it sure helps make for a nice score!

Other Thoughts:

Some really nice but challenging holes to snag an ace on!
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notapro
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Experience: 20.7 years 568 played 281 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Intermediate/Expert 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Oct 23, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

- Course is set in a good sized park, with a hilly field, a gnarly forest, and a small creekbed. Pretty much devoted completely to the disc golf.
- Front and back parts are set in the open field, with a sprinkling of mature trees to contend with. Very good elevation changes on a couple holes, and more dense trees on others. A couple holes play out of and near the forest area for some more challenge.
- The rest of the course is carved out of a dense, mildly hilly forest that has a lot of character. Most of the holes are on the short side, with a ton of different lines to hit. There's uphill, downhill, left, right, straight, gradual and swift. There's thick underbrush, tight fairways, and at times a low canopy.
- Small creek is in play on one hole, which must be crossed to reach the basket. Great hole from the longs; as most will have to lay up before attempting to cross.
- Lots of baskets are heavily protected by trees or sloping greens, or both. Getting it close to the basket is sometimes not enough, it's got to be on the right side, too.
- Good tee pads and baskets, great signs. Pretty good crossings/stairs where needed. Navigation can be a tad tricky at spots.

Cons:

- Some of the holes are a bit bland, mostly just due to open lanes and short length. The short length overall kind of hurts the course; almost every hole can be reached from the tee and really presents a ton of deuce-or-die opportunities, and not much else.
- Walking path and some other man-made stuff can be in play, but only in a few spots.

Other Thoughts:

- This is a very well rounded course, with both the open and forested areas presenting a bunch of different looks. Good elevation changes and different lines really help to mix things up, a lot of unique looks. Plenty of hazards in the form of dense rough, fast greens, and a small creekbed. Any level of player should enjoy the tricky shots needed to get to the basket.
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harr0140
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Experience: 15.2 years 1508 played 475 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Pleasantly surprised 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 29, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

1) Nice signs with all pertinent information and a general overview of the hole. Hole # and distance stated and a decent map. Always a plus in my book as a travelling disc golfer!

2) Massive concrete tees are also always well received when I play a course. I hate playing on grass from the tee becuase so often it is rutted and wore down to dirt or gravel.

3) 4 Hole pitch and putt course is in between Camden I and II. Nice place for beginniners ot practice. It is ideal when someone comes up and asks how do I play you send them over there with a putter and say throw it until you are in the chains or basket. Awesome concept to have it attached to two 18 hole courses.

4) Mach baskets with the number plates. Number plates facing the tee are also very helpful as often times the people who put the baskets in pay no regard to where the tee is and confusing areas where multiple baskets may be visible. It is really only a problem the first time someone plays a course, but I am that travelling wilbury so it is always nice to have it done right.

5) Benches are available in a few spots through the course. They maybe could use a few more as I could imagine some bottlenecks on some holes from time to time, especially since this is apparently one of the most played courses in the Quad Cities area.

6) Elevation changes are prevalent here and used very well. Holes 2-4 would be dull and boring but they use some terracing of the turf as well as can be done. The holes have some character with the terracing in play and they make boring to lame holes moderately challenging and more fun to throw. In the wooded area of Holes 6-18 there is just enough elevation change to make the course fun, but not so much (SEE CAMDEN II REVIEW) that is infringes upon the fun of the course. The character of this course simply put is based on the elevatin usage coupled witht he dense wooded setting.

7) This course is tough and challenging, but at the same time it is fair. There are shots you need to hit, but at least those shots are duplicable. I hate it when luck plays too much a role in ho a course plays and the only place this happens is the uphill tight fairway on #12.
Any throw that hits the scrub can kill you, and any rollaway off the scrub could theoretically put you in jail. All in all though the skill/luck balance is good.

8) Garbage cans are available in a few spots and overall the course seems fairly clean, again especially considering that this is one of the most played courses in the Quad Cities.

9) This course is the epitomy of diversity. There is elevation change used both ways, there are risk reward baskets available, there is some water in play, there is tight woods and some more open ripper holes along with some short ace (or birdie) runs. I mixes it up very well although the front nine is the longer more open nine and the back nine is the tighter more technical side (not a negative, but it feels like 2 different courses).

10) A bucnh of high school college aged kids who I generally think to be douchers, were very courteous and allowed me to play through, they were very complementary to my shot, and also helped me try and figure out where the Camden II course was and gave me some insight into that course. Gotta love it when locals surprise you!

10) Challenging, but also still somewhat beginner friendly. It is fair to an average player so a beginner might be hit or miss on this course. I wouldnt take a first timer or maybe even a 1oth timer, but someone who has started to learn a little about disc selection and shot shaping should do ok here.

Cons:

1) The sign on #13 is in a really bad spot. It seems to be right in the way of a RHBH shot. There is no reason a sign should be in the front of the tee.

2) 12-15 are kindof goofy. Sure they are short and technical (which I like) but the layout is really goofy. There is basktracking to get to some tees and there are dangerous areas where errant tee shots could cause danger.

3) I'll mention it again that this is one o the most played courses in the Quad Cities. It is visible in some of the compaction issues arising as well as the erosion issues that folow the compaction. In many places around this course there are area that are totally bare and they will continue to erode. It is a fact of life, and it doesn't really impact the play negatively (unless you hit one of these areas with a driver and you get a massive skip where you don't want to go), but it is worth mentioning becuase it is what happens to courses over time. It is also a negative because if any environmental person were to come out those areas would be reaosn enough for them to want to shut down the course. It is just somthing that happens on disc golf courses, and I certainly hope it doesn't become the issue that takes down a lot of courses.

4) Danger comes into play on those shorter tighter holes 12-15. There are shots that come very close to other fairways and any individual tree hit could send you sailing off into another fairway.

5) There seems to be a little bit of an offset in the luck/skill balance on 12-15, or you better be able to thread the needle. It isn't a huge negative because they are shorter holes to begin with, but still worth mentioning

6) Alternate tees???? Where? I wish I could find them.

7) There seemed to be some changes in the design because from the teesign on #6 I certainly didn't think that the hole played the way the sign said, nor did #7. I really struggled to figure out where I was headed on #6 after my drive because the teesign had the basket tucked way right and it was way longer than the sign stated. Not sure what happened there.

Other Thoughts:

I really enjoyed this course and initially I wanted to give it a 3 to 3.5 but I realized that the fundamentals are all there and I have to rate it a 4. If I were to go to the Quad Cities this would be my second play behind West Lake. The variety is what keeps this course a 4 disc rating from me. If it didnt have a little of anything it might fall back into the "norm" category of the 2.5-3.5 disc course. This biggest con in my eyes is the erosion and compaction, but because it doesnt really impact play, I cant fault the course much for that being its biggest issue.
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mashnut
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 22.1 years 831 played 767 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Fun course with variety 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 10, 2010 Played the course:once

Pros:

The course plays through a large park with a great mix of open areas and heavy woods. The course starts out with a few more open shots, then heads into the woods for most of the middle of the course with a few more open holes to finish up. The variety is nice, with some holes where you can rip a drive and many where inaccurate shots will be punished with thick rough in the woods. This makes for some great risk reward shots on the tighter holes.

There is some great elevation here, especially on the more open section of the course. There are some good up and down hill shots and some that play across the hill with roll away potential. There is a small stream in play on some holes that adds a little more risk. There is a good mix of right and left turning shots, the course seemed to be fair to righties and lefties.

The amenities at this course are pretty good. The main set of tees is concrete with nice tee signs. The signs have good hole maps and distance, and are very visible and easy to read. There is a great practice area by the parking lot with four baskets, some elevation, and some trees with enough room to throw longer approach shots between some of the baskets.

Cons:

On the signs, the two alternate sets of tees looked like they would add some variety to the course with different lengths and some different looks at the holes, but they were very difficult to find on most holes and not in good shape where they were visible. There are a couple navigation areas that are a little tricky, especially with the basket for hole 6 missing and using basket 15 instead. The tee for hole 9 is tough to see, you have to head up the hill from hole 8 otherwise you'll end up wandering a bit.

The open areas of the course are so open that they can get a little boring. The first few holes have almost no trees, so they don't really force any kind of line shaping. It would have been fun if the downhill holes included a longer bomb kind of hole. Hole 6 looked like it would have been a lot more fun and challenging in the original position, but playing to basket 15 removes the risk of shooting across the creek and leaves the hole much more open.

Other Thoughts:

This is a fun course with some diifferent challenges. Newer players will find the course tough but not unfair. More experienced players won't find the course too terribly difficult, but there are lots of fun holes and a few good challenging shots.

This course is definitely worth a stop, especially with another good course on site, and the best practice area I've seen (it's better than a couple courses I've played...). The quad cities area is a fun destination for disc golf, and this park is one of the places to hit while you're here.
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chelseahawk3
Experience: 21.8 years 28 played 10 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Good and balanced course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 16, 2010 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This course has a good mixture of long, short, tight and open holes. Starts out with some open, relatively easy middle and long range holes, then goes into the woods with some middle and short range holes. Has decent signs, pads, and tees.

Cons:

Can be muddy if it has rained recently. A few holes are very challenging, almost comically. If you throw into the woods, you may be looking for awhile.

Other Thoughts:

Overall, this course is quite good. Pads and tees are nice and the layout is mixed and challenging. Course is just challenging enough so that you feel good about the round.
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#19325
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 22.8 years 351 played 175 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Camden 1 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 17, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Camden 1 plays on the west side of a very well kept piece of property. This course has some pretty nice sized rolling hills with half of the course being fairly open and the other pretty heavily wooded. Water comes into play on several holes and there are some very unique areas. There are also areas of pretty heavy rough.

Camden 2 is located directly across from this park. It is the most heavily and longest wooded course in Illinois.

There is a good sized practice area off the parking lot. There are 4 practice baskets.

Variety with 3 sets of tee pads. Nice cement tee pads for 1 set. There open, uphill, downhill, and tight wooded holes.

Very nice tee signs. They are very descriptive.

Nice Mach3 Baskets.

Overall this is a fun par 54 disc golf course.

Cons:

The 2 sets of natural tee pads are hard to find.

This course is on the short side.

It can be hard to navigate in a few areas.

There are several areas that are eroded and can get muddy.

Other Thoughts:

Both courses compliement each other nicely with Camden 1 being more beginner friendly.

The Quad Cities has some very good disc golf. Plan a vacation here and play as many course as you can. You will not be disappointed.

Check out my Illinois Top 10.
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hognosesucker
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 24.9 years 443 played 85 reviews
3.00 star(s)

cut my teeth on this course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Nov 7, 2009 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

-Camden 1 has a nice balance of open and wooded holes. The first six and the last 2 are open and the rest are fairly wooded.
-The course also makes good use of elevation, most of which are gentle to somewhat steep slopes.
-There is also a good mix of shot variety required at this course and some of these are the only lines for the hole. For instance 16 is a hard left to right uphill, 12 is a slight right to left downhill.
-There are 4 practice baskets to throw at for warm up.
Three sets of tees that offer different looks at the holes
Nice landscaping around trees in the open part of the course and a fairly intuitive layout.

Cons:

-Only a portajohn and nature for bathrooms, no water, and parking area is a bit congested at times.
-Although there are 3 sets of tees, the shorts and the longs are only marked with a 2x4 painted either red or blue and can be hard to find or the teepads are just junk, washed away with erosion, unlevel etc.
-6 is kind of a confusing hole navigation wise, it's pretty much a straight shot but the pin you see is actually 15's pin, 6's pin is across the creek to the right of the bridge.
-A lot of the holes have not withstood the test of time the way they were designed is no longer the masses play them. For instance 13 now has 2 lines, a straight and easy one cut through the woods (new line which didn't exist when designed) or a right to left skip or roller shot (old line), it just seems like people find an easier route and decide to play it that way insead of the way it was intended.
-Although there are a few longer holes, none of these holes are in the woods, so the wooded holes get a bit repetitive
-Holes 3-5 have no trees on them at all, just wide open shots with elevation involved
-The course has a walking path on it so be careful on the open holes.

Other Thoughts:

Overall, I enjoy playing this course thoroughly, it's where I spent a lot of my early days playing and I had a lot of fun there. I will definitely keep coming back especially since there is another excellent champ 18 onsite.

Also, do yourself a favor on hole 9, the only line looks to be a big right to left shot, which makes the hole fairly difficult to 3, but you can throw a high left to right shot over hole 8 and have an easy 3 and a possible duece :)
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lazy42
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 14.7 years 40 played 39 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Hilly 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jun 26, 2010 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

Use of elevation was great, up, down, and around. If you get too aggressive on hole 3, you'll have to throw back up to the basket. Makes for a good challenge.

Cons:

The course layout not very intuitive. Couldn't figure out where the next hole was. They had nice signs, but still couldn't figure it out. Looked for the tee for hole 9 and almost skipped the hole because we couldn't find it. Even though the baskets had numbers on them, some were close enough in certain areas and being far enough on the tee, it was diffiecult to tell which was which. A few holes, the vegetation is so thick, if you miss the fairway, you lost a disc. Would like to see a few trees scattered here and there on holes 3 - 4 - 5. Several holes can be wet and slippery after a rain, just be careful.

Other Thoughts:

All in all, a fun course with nice elevation changes that will pull me back in. Not really a course for kids, newbies, or anybody out of shape, hills will take it out of you. Since playing it again, the difficulty of the course and variety of shots makes this course interesting.
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robthepope
Experience: 20.9 years 49 played 10 reviews
4.50 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 6, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

-Parks near #1 by shelter and putting basket
-Flows naturally with lay of the land which is quite varied
-Detailed Tee Maps
-Beautify maintained and great course set up with relief open and thickly wooded holes
-Easy to find

Cons:

-NO WATER SOURCE!!!
-Could use more trees on the front holes (although the use of the rolling land is a good consolation)
-Course seems so popular that it can get crowded at times.

Other Thoughts:

Lost discs twice in one round and got bad poison ivy searching for an hour the first time only to lose it again on #16 (too dehydrated/tired to put on much of a search). Bad luck aside It's the best course I've played in the Quad City area.
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bygwyllay
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 16.9 years 93 played 77 reviews
3.00 star(s)

A nice outing 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 19, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Very well marked; par, distance and map listed at every concrete tee. Well kept in a very hilly park just south of the Illinois/Iowa border. The first few holes are in open field where elevation changes are your only enemy. After that, the fairways become lined with foliage (but nothing too dense). Some highlights throughout this one; very well constructed through the middle. Lots of people playing on a Sunday afternoon, but we were never held up at any one point.

Cons:

Nothing bad to say about this one, really. Nothing to brag about either. A typical DG experience. A creek runs through the entire course which is looks nice but smells bad.

Other Thoughts:

Park all the way in the back by a pavilion. Here there is access to both courses. Don't play the other one, unless you love abuse.
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rajsheels
Experience: 1 played 1 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 21, 2008 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

first 5 holes open with a few trees
lots of wind knowledge of your discs flight needed
wooded holes rock,chance for aces some blind baskets
chance of losing a disc small

Cons:

if you don't pay attention you will skip past hole 7

Other Thoughts:

not a beginner course
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MoPhunk
Experience: 25 years 10 played 6 reviews
3.50 star(s)

First Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jun 20, 2010 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Good variety of holes. Inside and outside of woods makes you make a lot of different shots. Fun short par 3 over a creek that is easily aceable. Lots of Mulberries for those who like to eat and throw. Camden is one of the only parks that I know of where it is LEGAL to drink on the course.

Cons:

Course has some spots that get real muddy. They need to add cement tees for the women and pro tees. Needs big time renovation in spots for water runoff. Big time erosion problems.

Other Thoughts:

Hole 1: Hole is straight but the tree in the middle and the trees on the right side makes you play it either left to right or low right to left. Hole 2: Plays straight but is on a hill that slopes right to left. You can play it any way you want as there are paths for all types of throws. Hole 3: plays to the right a tad but the easiest way for a back hander to throw is high and right and let it die hard to the left. Hole 4: Plays straight. I use a nice easy Buzzz to reach it. Play to the right and you are putting uphill and may be muddy. Hole 5: Plays gradually downhill and slightly to the right. Let it fly and a 3 is no problem. Hole 6: Long and straight with a slight dogleg to the right at the end. If you can put your first drive past the first clump of trees then you should be able to put your next shot close to the pin. Hole 7: Is a pretty tight fairway with a creek to the left and woods to the right. You want to stay to the center/right because if you are long enough your left lying shot will not have a view of the pin. Hole 8: Is an uphill to the right shot. There is a nice big bush that makes you play a left to right shot or a high right to left shot. Hole 9: If you have a big arm you should have no problem dropping it right next to the pin over the trees. Fairway plays straight then to the left. If you are putting from above the hole just remember that putts tend to run when they hit the ground. Hole 10 : Plays straight over the creek. Putter at most. Trees surround the pin so it's not an easy ace but it is the easiest hole on the course. Hole 11: Plays tight up hill with a dogleg left. If you have a thumber/tommy this hole is no problem. Trees to the left and right. Hole 12: plays down hill and to the right slightly. Trees on both sides of the fairway with a few scattered in front of the hole. A thumber should put you right next to the hole. Hole 13: Plays straight but is tight for back handers. Putter or midrange hole. Hole 14 : plays pretty straight and as long as you stay straight you should be fine. Hole 15: right to left and is somewhat difficult for back handers. there is a nice tree stump at the beginning that makes you pull hard across to get it inside. Stay right if possible because left is thick woods. Hole 16: Plays uphill and to the right. Not to difficult for side arm. Hole 17: Plays left to right. It's pretty open to start and then there are about 12 trees scattered around the pin. Hole 18 : Plays straight. A few trees scattered on the fairway but a putter should put you next to the pin.

One of my favorite courses. I hope the updated review helps.
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