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It's a very good driver when I'm feeling strong. Most of the time, i don't have the arm for it. Sometimes, I do... and when I do... I like the Rouge a lot. It's almost like a Surge SS, just a little easier to turn over.
The Rouge has been a casualty of my successful discing down project, but I'm keeping it for days that I'm feeling frisky.
I throw the surgeSS Z which is literally the same disc. I like it, because the disc design is already VERY glidy and fairly fast....but because of the Z plastic, I am able to put more force into this disc which is always a better feeling....one of the longest discs I have thrown(shallow anhyzer with tons of snap) and most precise....and I did use to throw a rogue.
The ESP rogue is more overstable than the sparkle rogue...but I know people that swear by the crystal rogue because it is so workable.
Look for domie ness on these discs, as they mean a difference in stability...the more domie, the more stable. I prefer a medium dome, which is slightly more than flat.
ZSurgeSS-most
Rogue Esp-medium
Rogue sparkle-least
ESP SurgeSS FLX-wind version of these discs...not so glidy and is fairly stable.
After further thought, I would actually say thet the Wraith is the closest thing Innova makes that flies like a Rogue/Surge SS. Oh, and I found out that the Rogue and Surge SS actually are the exact same disc as discraft molds the discs for DGA with their machines and molds and then puts a different name on them. So Surge SS and the Rogue are the exact same disc
After further thought, I would actually say thet the Wraith is the closest thing Innova makes that flies like a Rogue/Surge SS. Oh, and I found out that the Rogue and Surge SS actually are the exact same disc as discraft molds the discs for DGA with their machines and molds and then puts a different name on them. So Surge SS and the Rogue are the exact same disc
Actually, as per the PDGA approved disc list, they're not the exact same thing. The Rogue has a 2.2cm rim thickness vs. 2.1 on the Surge SS, and has a height of 1.7cm vs. 1.6 on the Surge SS. They're damned similar, but not the exact same thing. I think I've read somewhere that the Rogue is about in the middle of the Surge and the Surge SS in terms of flight. I don't have enough experience to make that statement, but I remember reading it somewhere on here.
Actually, as per the PDGA approved disc list, they're not the exact same thing. The Rogue has a 2.2cm rim thickness vs. 2.1 on the Surge SS, and has a height of 1.7cm vs. 1.6 on the Surge SS. They're damned similar, but not the exact same thing. I think I've read somewhere that the Rogue is about in the middle of the Surge and the Surge SS in terms of flight. I don't have enough experience to make that statement, but I remember reading it somewhere on here.