disc-golf-neil
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Edit: in case anyone finds this with the same question
My tests have shown for me that supination has a greater potential for nose down assuming pretty good form or better with a non-collapsed power pocket and a release point around 10-11 o'clock. At that 10-11 o'clock position supination is more directly in the nose down direction and supination has a larger range of motion than ulnar deviation. Ulnar deviation at that release point seems to be almost in the nose down direction, so as the disc is starting to rip out it gets closer to ulnar deviation being in the nose down direction. However, ulnar deviation has big variation on it's impact to nose angle depending on the alignment of the disc through the hand from very little effect on nose angle to a pretty good amount with a different grip alignment:
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![1701968153507.png 1701968153507.png](https://cdn.dgcoursereview.com/data/attachments/328/328950-6853f5c99e314a74357831f0ce4e07f0.jpg)
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1. First of all, I've just recently heard the phrase "turning the key" yet so I'm not totally sure what the traditional advice is for it. Is it supination?
2. When people say turn the key, or supinate to help with nose angle, is the advice to do it just before the hit or maintain it throughout the swing?
I've heard people who briefcase carry (pronation) will keep some of the pronation for more anhyzer, supinate back to flat for flat shots, or supinate passed flat for hyzers. This is what Gannon said when I asked him "are you always trying to supinate back to flat and then mostly use body angle for the release angle?" He said he does both.
3. So if pronation = more anhyzer, how can supination = more nose down instead of more hyzer? Or is it both?
4. If pouring the coffee (ulnar deviation) helps nose down, how can supination help with nose down? They are very different motions. I guess as the supination rotates the wrist it is changing the direction of the coffee pour so the changed direction could be the key.
The attached video is an exaggeration so it's easier to see the differences, I know that people who briefcase carry don't maintain such extreme pronation throughout the swing even for anhyzer shots.
My tests have shown for me that supination has a greater potential for nose down assuming pretty good form or better with a non-collapsed power pocket and a release point around 10-11 o'clock. At that 10-11 o'clock position supination is more directly in the nose down direction and supination has a larger range of motion than ulnar deviation. Ulnar deviation at that release point seems to be almost in the nose down direction, so as the disc is starting to rip out it gets closer to ulnar deviation being in the nose down direction. However, ulnar deviation has big variation on it's impact to nose angle depending on the alignment of the disc through the hand from very little effect on nose angle to a pretty good amount with a different grip alignment:
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For RHBH
![1701968153507.png 1701968153507.png](https://cdn.dgcoursereview.com/data/attachments/328/328950-6853f5c99e314a74357831f0ce4e07f0.jpg)
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1. First of all, I've just recently heard the phrase "turning the key" yet so I'm not totally sure what the traditional advice is for it. Is it supination?
2. When people say turn the key, or supinate to help with nose angle, is the advice to do it just before the hit or maintain it throughout the swing?
I've heard people who briefcase carry (pronation) will keep some of the pronation for more anhyzer, supinate back to flat for flat shots, or supinate passed flat for hyzers. This is what Gannon said when I asked him "are you always trying to supinate back to flat and then mostly use body angle for the release angle?" He said he does both.
3. So if pronation = more anhyzer, how can supination = more nose down instead of more hyzer? Or is it both?
4. If pouring the coffee (ulnar deviation) helps nose down, how can supination help with nose down? They are very different motions. I guess as the supination rotates the wrist it is changing the direction of the coffee pour so the changed direction could be the key.
The attached video is an exaggeration so it's easier to see the differences, I know that people who briefcase carry don't maintain such extreme pronation throughout the swing even for anhyzer shots.
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