I don't mind a lot of turn phase personally. I actually also just enjoy watching hyzerflip flight shapes so there's a kind of primal level of pleasure for me.
I understand why it can also be a liability, but I have
always been much more comfortable throwing for power at 20 (or more) degrees hyzer. It has been true no matter what my form looks like, which has always been interesting to me and why I'm so interested in pro hyzer power shots. Sidewinder's preference to train mechanics on hyzer is very pragmatic from that perspective. Gravity hammer!
On the other hand, I know there are often practical advantages to throwing nearer to flat with more overstability and less turn for reliability reasons. Golf requires versatility. However, it's so much harder on my body personally when throwing for
power that I'm kind of trying to figure out what my ~80% power shot game looks like on hyzer. I think in the short run it is harder to learn which is why so many people tell new players to throw "flat," but in the long run it's a power/body preservation strategy for me. I'm practicing for my "old man" game starting right now.
I have a (slightly younger and less busted) friend who is trying to get me to throw 'flatter" rather than always leaning on hyzer and trying to get too cute with flip-turn-fade dynamics on every shot when sometimes a flatter and more OS shot will do. He has a point* - I don't disagree with him and am starting to practice it more at maybe 60% finesse shots. It's helping me score already. I still tend hyzer so they're usually just shallow hyzerflips.
But when I want my 80-85% drives, I'm going hyzer if I can, and if I have all the air space I want, then these are the discs I'm after here. I suddenly realized the pure joy of a low-effort open-air 40-45 degree hyzer crush so I'm willing to explore that a bit lol
First, got a couple of Pharaohs in different weights on the way. Once I see what they cover I'll keep it going here. Excited!
*I don't like to gatekeep anything but just something I worry about as a friend... that same friend is doing a field session with a Techdisc today with a player 13 years his junior. After having one go 365ft yesterday, my friend will be throwing his full bag of Destroyers at 50-55 mph on near-flat (really usually slightly hyzer or slightly anhyzer) angles. With the amount he plays I worry about him sometimes as will soon enter his late 30s. The younger (22 y/o) player is very quick and has good balance. He throws about 60mph using a collapsing from shoulder, and spins vertically when he throws. He was already talking to me about hip and knee aches last time we played 1 on 1. I worry about that too even though it's not really my business...