1. Beautiful views on a half park style/half wooded course.
2. All the elevation you can ever want. The people that get excited about hole 17 at Mastin Lake will realize that hole is child's play compared to hole 9 at Ashe County.
3. Multiple tee pads and multiple baskets on most holes.
4. Excellent mixture of distances, open vs. wooded, water, and shot shaping. It'd be difficult to get bored with this course.
5. Challenging, but not impossible. I was able to get into a zone due to the focus required by Ashe County. The front nine reminded me of Mt. Airy with a little more elevation. The back 9 is a much longer V-Rock.
6. A natural island on hole 5. Not one of these spray painted islands in a field.
7. The course finishes well with a downhill monster of hole on 18. It appears repetitive (hole 9) at first until you get to the bottom of the hill in the open and need another perfect drive to the basket.

1. Five foot wide mando on hole 10. This could have even been a triple mando with the sign above. This hole has a nice left or right line. I know it's a short hole, but this mando was extremely disappointing and took away from my enjoyment of the course.
2. Long pads do not have signage.
3. Hole 16 has a net strung above the fairway to prevent tomahawk shots off the tee pad. It's difficult to see. Why take away someone's shot?
4. No bail out on long 3's tee pad. With those low limbs off the tee, you will need the 400' distance. I gladly made a donation to the disc gods going for it. You have to try it once!
5. Hole 7 would be really good if the low limbs would be trimmed up. Tree growth has taken away the natural lines.
6. There's a mando on hole 13 to prevent people from throwing near hole 12's basket. It's uphill and out of sight from the tee. No one will be able to see if you made the mando or not.

Overall, this course did not disappoint. I've had it on my wishlist to bag for a couple years due to all the beautiful pics I see posted online occasionally. This would easily be a 4.5 from me if the nitpicking in my cons section were corrected. I really enjoyed playing this course and the cool mountain breezes we had that morning.

The course is in a multi-use county park, but for the most part plays through areas where you aren't likely to encounter other park users.

From the long tees you've got holes varying from 235' out to 818'. The average hole length is 388', but holes 9 and 18 really skew it and most of the holes play in the 250' - 400' range. Short tees/pins are available that knock over 2000 feet off of the total course length.

There are a few mostly open holes and a few more that are partly wooded. But you'll remember the holes up in the woods when you think back on your round.

Great elevation from rolling hills in the more open areas to quite steep up in the thick woods. Plenty of uphill and down hill throws. Hole 15 was one of the best gut-check holes I've ever played. A straight tunnel shot on a steep sidehill to a basket on a built-up bench. The roll away potential was off the chart.

Holes 9 and 18 play steeply downhill through tight tunnels from the tee. But both break out into open fields for the last half of the hole making a nice mix of wooded and open.

A large pond was in play on holes 3, 6, and 7 though only hole 3 throws over the pond. It is a good water hole with the choice of going directly at the basket or bailing out anywhere along the left bank. Hole 6 played up the back side of the dam to a basket placed near the crest. Blow past it and say goodbye to your disc.

There were also a few low-headroom shots and left-to-right shots giving plenty of opportunities for both BH and FH.

Good concrete teepads, with most holes having two positions. Decent DisCatchers with two positions on a few holes. They were yellow in the short positions and dark blue in the longs.

The first two holes are pretty basic, "throw it over the grass" type holes, and I found myself wondering it this was, in fact, the top rated course in NC. Things get much better later in the course, but the start is a bit underwhelming.

I found the triple-mando on Hole 10 to be gimmicky. Forcing a drive through a tight slot for no reason other than "the challenge" seems silly.

Also not a fan of Hole 11. You drive a tight dogleg left to near the short pin and are then faced with a solid wall of 10' tall shrubs. I walked the narrow path around the vegetation to find the long basket on the other side. No choice but to throw a disc 150' over the top to where you "think" the basket is and then go looking for it. I imagine that the regulars have this one dialed but, but for a travelling DG'er this is a bad hole.

Overall I thought this was an excellent course, but I there were enough so-so open and partially open holes to drop the rating back for me. I'm at about 4.25 on this course, but ultimately decided to drop it back to 4.0 because there were just too many "ok" holes.

Wonderful course in nice county park with plenty of other activities.

• Variety: Phenomenal - Wonderfully balanced shot variety in pretty much every way. For the most part, the front 9 plays fairly open, with flat to moderate elevation. The back 9 is well to densely wooded with moderate to serious elevation. Has a few nice transitional holes (tee in the woods playing to a basket in the open, or a tee in the open playing to a basket nestled in the trees). A healthy mix of holes open enough to allow for many lines, holes that make you choose from a few lines, and some very well wooded holes that dare you to hit what is basically "the" line. Factor in dual tees plus dual full-time pin placements on many of holes, and Ashe offers all the shot variety a player could hope for. Nice blend of distances in that even the short to short layout offers a few holes with serious distance, and the long-long layout still has some ace runs. Even has a few well-conceived water holes.

• Elevation: Phenominal - Ranging from modest to massive, featuring monster downhills, humbling uphills, plenty of rollaway potential, but nicely balanced in that there are quite a few holes where elevation is a modest factor, some where it's significant, and quite a few where it's major. A good portion of the back nine is decidedly cart-unfriendly.

• Challenge: Excellent - The multi-tee/pin combinations allow you to bite off as much challenge as you can chew. I found short to short quite challenging for Rec-Int players (particularly the back 9), with long-long seeming to be an appropriate challenge to solid AM1's and aspiring pros. A bad kick on some of the hilly, wooded holes can have nasty consequences, but can reward those who play placement golf, and stay within their game. Very much a course that rewards/punishes your decision making and execution. Choosing where to play aggressively or play it safe can make a big difference.

• Aesthetics: Very good - Course plays through some fairly scenic parts of the park, with a nice transition from a park style feel, to a bit more rugged metro/state park feel - but always feels like a park. The nicest scenery by far, is provided by the mountains off in the distance.

• Equipment: Very good - Mixed tees, but all were more than good enough to be a non-issue. Concrete where easily accessible, with some sort of well-draining, plastic matrix on the less accessible hilly, wooded holes. Tees on/near slopes were level and nicely framed with timbers look look handsome and combat erosion. Don't bitch about wishing they were all concrete unless you're willing to do the work yourself. Signage is good (but I don't recall seeing them at both tees). Yellow DisCatches for shorts, Tar Heel powder blue DisCatchers for the longs were easy to see, in good condition, and flagged for visibility where elevation obscures the view.

• Navigation/Flow: Fair - Far from the worst, but definitely not the greatest. Getting around was pretty easy most of the time, but there several spots where I had to use the map. Got a bit confused around the 8A/9A section, and there were a couple of times I wasn't sure I was headed to the short tee. Tee markers were easy to spot from a distance, which always helps. Despite a few long walks between holes, I didn't spend that much time looking for the next hole.

• Memorable Holes: Very Good - Really like the way the pond was used on 3. Some will hate #13 because of the atypical line needed on a hole this short, but I liked the way the fairway goes uphill, over a crest and finishes on a downslope...playing L to R the entire way - threw a high anny with an Archer to get a long birdie look. That said, this hole would be horrible if that high line weren't free of branches and twigs. 9 is a top of the world shot that requires you to split the uprights. #18 plays that same tune with a nice twist

Not a lot to list here. Only one's worth a ratings ding. Most are just informational.

• Safety: By no means is safety a major shortcoming of the course as a whole, but it was an obvious factor during my round. Not a fan of the Mando on #7. Usually mandos make safety sense. This mando actually makes safety an issue. Takes the RHBH hyzer line (over the pond) out of play, forcing some sort of straight shot (which seemed tough with the low hanging branch) or some sort of L - R (RHFH/LHBH) line. The playground is far enough away that kids actually playing on the equipment are realistically out of the line of fire. However, toddlers running around the hillside adjacent to the playground were just left of the line I wanted to take, and very much in play. I had to give their moms a heads-up about what I was about to do.

Had to wait for a dog walker on #2. A few of the other holes on the front 9 could have potential shared used issues with non-DG'ers, but #7 is the only one I actually had to say anything about. keep in mind I played during a weekday morning. I suspect non-DG traffic is heavier during peak hours.

That said, most of the course is pretty secluded from other park patrons.

• Expect some long, steep walks to spot baskets. I don't care how great the signs are - on tight wooded fairways, I like to see where I want to land for my next shot (regardless how likely it is I'll actually get there). Doubly true on slopes where bad kicks off trees you can't see from the tee can send you way down a hill side.

• Nearly every hole has two tees, but relatively few holes actually have long (blue) baskets. Not really a "con," ...I just don't want anyone thinking all the holes have two baskets.

Ashe is definitely an excellent course. It's merits are strong, weaknesses few, and you'd be hard pressed to find a course that packs this much variety into a single round... and still has more to offer for a 2nd round. If you have the time (and the stamina) you could easily play two rounds here and not be bored. If that appeals you, I suggest bringing a cooler with plenty of water and some energizing snacks (if not a decent lunch) to re-charge between rounds.

I wish there was a decent map that showed all the holes in relationship to each other (and the park), rather than just the front 9 and the back 9 isolated by themselves. Maybe it's just me, but when I needed the map, it wasn't quite as helpful as maps for most other courses.

I'd give it a 4.25 if I could, but I can't... and it doesn't quite have enough to elicit a 4.5 from me. I think it's just a bit closer to 4.0 than 4.5, and while I feel kinda bad my 4.0 actually hurts it's ratings, that's just how DGCR works.

Dual tees on most holes and a couple holes had two baskets providing excellent variety of challenge and length. Good mix of open and wooded holes and use of the elevation and terrain. Good navigation and flow with 2 loops of 9 holes back to the parking lot. Beautiful views and wildlife. Shelters and bathrooms near parking lot.

Not much. Long tees have no tee sign. Underbrush although not bad was a little thick in a couple places and had some poison ivy. Chance to lose a disc in the pond and conflict with other park users fishing. Some steep elevation causing random roll-a-ways and maybe hard for some to hike.

Ashe County has one of the most stunning views with Mount Jefferson towering up 1600' in the backdrop of the pond. I can understand why many people have this course rated so high. It's hard to nitpick on a couple things that were more just personal preference than things that are cons. I liked the variety of lines the open holes presented, providing challenges via the elevation changes and few trees and the pond. They are fairly simple par 3 holes. Everything is fairly straight forward throughout the whole course and I think that is where it feels like something more is missing. Maybe if the open holes were interlaced between the wooded holes it would feel more whole, but that's nobody's fault. The fact that the open holes are all around the pond and easier holes makes it great for getting beginners to play here, and there's not much else around the way here, so that's also good thing here.

The long tee on hole 8 was not my favorite as you have a tight gap to hit through a low ceiling of pines with a massive uphill slope. Hole 9's underbrush seemed to be the worst, but is one of the most fun if you don't hit a tree and have to search for a disc.

Two holes left me scratching my head. The first was the long tee on hole 10 with it's triple mando over the line, I didn't like it because it's unnecessary and a bit contrived. The other was hole 11 and the hidden long basket. I still don't know what to think of that position. Part of me loves the idea of the giant hedge wall, it's one of the most unique features of the course. The other part of me didn't like it because after I teed off I just played to the short basket because I didn't believe there was another basket. Even when I got the long tee on hole 12 and I saw the basket over there, I still didn't believe that could possibly be for hole 11.

Holes 12 through 18 were all phenomenal wooded holes carved through the woods and awesome elevation although very straight forward and fair shots off the tee(minus some roll-a-ways). Hole 18 ends the course as one of the best finishing holes in disc golf even though you basically played a shorter version 9 holes earlier. Humungous downhill tunnel through about 400' of woods into the open another 400'.

Overall Ashe County DGC is a stellar course that anybody will enjoy, even if you don't play disc golf, the scenery can be enjoyed alone. The 2 extra alternate holes make an even more beginner friendly loop of 9 holes. I arrived at hole 1 the same time as a father with his 3 boys ranging from 10-17 in age. They let me tee off on hole 1 before them, I was playing the longs, and they played the shorts. I took a couple extra drives on some holes and a very short break after hole 9, and they caught up to me after I teed on 18 long and were teeing off on the short pad as I hiked down toward the short tee. I was surprised they were able to catch up. They were sending out spotters on some of the holes, very smart of them and everybody looked to be having an awesome time playing!

Challenging, Well labeled, Multiple bathrooms, both open and wooded holes

Random dead limbs in fairways (I moved now)

Bring your big boy pants and a bunch of water if you play the pro tees. This is probably the most demanding course physically I have played. Lots of terrain changes. I loved the course and when I am in town I will definitely play again. I watched the 2014 Tourney on the homepage before playing and it helped greatly.

Ashe County has a signature hole all right and it's so fun they found a way to do it twice. 9 and 18 close out their respective nines with the sickest downhill tunnel you have ever imagined. Even from the am tees, it is a tough challenge to keep a disc straight through for the amount of distance it is going to travel as it rips downward along a slope you need to use switchbacks to walk down. If you can clear it, there is an open approach to the pin. (a long approach on 18 though.) That is a big if, though. Word are not sufficient how steep the decline is. You need to stand on the top to imagine how far down it is.
It's 8 that sets the stage, at least from the pro tees. Am 8 is at least uphill and is a nice improvement over what came before, but pro 8 takes that uphill, gives it a tunnel start and keeps climbing uphill past the am basket through a narrow channel on a double curve. From that point on till the end, the elevation changes are thunderous. Up down, all around. With the exception of one filler hole(10) it's non-stop great holes. I'm not going to describe any of the individually, because that has been done before but the design is impeccable throughout.
The pro tees provide significantly more challenge, especially when the pro baskets are also used. They provide a little variety for second playthroughs as well as just adding to the epic flavor of the holes. It's awe-inspiring to reach the yellow basket and see the blue basket higher still, and additional climb left to make.
While there are some long walks between holes, there is rarely doubt that one is on the right path. Navigation is intuitive, even with multiple tees and baskets. In keeping with the quality of the course, tees, baskets and signs are all that could be wished for.
Lastly, it's one of the most picturesque parks that you will ever play in. Wonderfully scenic. Wonderfully atmospheric and just really makes you feel like you're in the mountains. It's a hike to get there. It's a hike and a half to play it. But completely worth it. And the back nine might just contain the best 8-hole stretch I've ever played.

As much as I like variety, and appreciate when a course has a few open holes, the first seven here are a little on the bland side. A couple of them could be considered rolling hills but there is not much hill in that roll. There really isn't even much distance to them so they aren't the air it out sort of open holes. Even the water carry doesn't do much for me here, though I can't put my finger on why. 5 across the depression and stream and towards a tucked away basket is probably the best of the bunch, but it's not especially memorable. The hole are gets points for extreme aesthetics with the pond framed by a solitary peak in the distance, but ultimately, that view is more interesting than the throws. Don't get me wrong. This course gets great, with epic holes that you won't see any place else. But it takes until hole 8 to get good.

This course is well designed and offers a little bit of everything- open, grassy fairways with few trees, and denser technical woods; holes of all lengths; right, straight, left; holes with options and holes with only 1 way to go; flat, moderate hills, relatively steep up and down; ace runs to hard-earned par 3's to maybe even a couple of legit par 4's due to strategic shot placement.

2 sets of tees, a couple holes had a pro (UNC blue) in addition to regular basket. Two 8's and 9's- the 8-9 to the left is more advanced, the 8a-9a to the right is easier, but still good and challenging holes (no good way to play all 4 in a single round without a long walk). These aspects are what make this course accessible to many different skill levels.

The front 9 is more open playing around the pond and a creek, then the back goes into the woods and up the mountain, with #18 playing all the way back down to the bottom and out into the open- fun finishing hole. I like that each hole is unique and has its own challenge, and that the difficulty seemed to increase overall throughout the round. This course is a great test of your skills and you will need a solid variety of shots.

Great baskets, tees, signs, scorecard, practice basket, kiosk- it is all here. The course was clean and I don't remember any signs or baskets missing or broken. Navigation for first timers is pretty good, a little confusing in some spots due to the multiple tees and the optional 8a-9a loop, but not hard to figure out with the map on the scorecard. Great explanation of grounds rules on the scorecard about water, roads, OB, etc. for each hole. In fact- this is the best scorecard I have ever seen- and thanks to the sponsors (I was shocked to see the sponsor for hole 1 and 18 was from the town of my home course- Smyrna, TN about 350 miles away!)

Before you get to the course parking lot there is a really nice restroom in the lot on the right- a welcome sight after the very long and curvy mountain drive to get here.

Though I appreciated some of the easier holes to give me a break, there are a couple of holes that are just not up to the level of the rest of the course- 1, 4, and 10 for example (but I do like that the weakest holes are the first of each 9 and not a filler in the middle or, even worse, a terrible finishing hole.)

#11 Advanced basket makes no sense. There is no way to get there, and you will not find it on your first round there until you walk to the next hole- maybe. A helicopter would be helpful to drop you down into the area where the basket is if you happen to throw a blind tomahawk that lands near it. I recommend playing the regular basket as this is still a tough hole.

Lots of people swimming and fishing that could get in the way of a few holes on the front.

This course is hard to get to from any Interstate, and there is no great road to get here- the road we took was up and down the mountains and curve after curve- pretty time consuming and could be nauseating for some. Allow plenty of driving time, the Internet and GPS may say it is only 20 miles away, but those 20 could take up to an hour!

Though in a park on the outskirts of the small town in the mountains of NC, you still never get that alone and out-in-nature-away-from-it-all feeling because of all the other park activities and people that never really get out of sight for long. However, this is one of the best parks courses out there. It just did not have that epic wow factor or extra special feel that would have me give it a 4.5+, but it is no less than a 4.0 for me, and I see why others have rated it higher. (Although if you go in thinking this is a perfect/top 10 course, you might be disappointed as it is not quite up to that level in my opinion.)

I would recommend this course to any disc golfer (other than beginners) as you can choose the level of difficulty on each hole that best suits you. Duvall did a fantastic job of building a course that is both fun and challenging for almost any skill level disc golfer- this is not an easy thing to do for sure. So, if you don't mind the drive, then come on and play!

Nice course layout.
Great use of little pond for water hazards.
Came back to parking lot at 9th.
Very challenging course.
Loved all the distance shots. We played the long pads. Can't wait to try the shorts next time.

If you landed off line and had to look for your disc, on most holes i was in total thorn bushes. Round Up Brush Killer PLEASE!!! My group of three lost 5 disc in one round.
Most other Mnt. courses i have played had a more foregiving rough area.

Over all loved the course and enjoyed the rest of the park. Hats off to the parks and rec...depo they do a wonderfull job.

Picturesque, well thought out, maximum use of land, challenging, rewarding, unforgiving,,,, fair and unfair at the same time!!!!!!
This course beg's you to throw the shot of your life,,,,,because it will....."EAT IT ALIVE"!!!!!!!!!!! BLAH,,,HA,,,HA,,,HA!!!!!!!!

Disappointed that there were no "golf cart refreshment babes".....???????

Bye Bye Blizzard discs!!!!!!!!

The two-page map/scorecard is excellent, giving you a really good idea of the shape/tightness challenges you'll encounter before you ever play the course.

Two tees (most) every hole, 6'x12', either concrete, or rubber mat.

Two nine-hole loops. Practice basket.

The popularity of the fishing pond can make holes 3, 6, and 7 unsafe to play.

No fairway the last ~200' of long-basket #11 - have to go over huge rhododendron and nearby trees, while also trying to obey signs warning to not damage the flora!?

The course plays up, down, and across both the open space, and within a wooded ridge, of a large, scenic, multi-purpose park. The holes combine the various degrees of tightness-options with the elevation changes to create a wide variety of challenges. The first nine holes play in a clockwise direction, away and down from the parking lot, before returning, while the back nine plays in a counterclockwise direction in the trees slightly up from the lot.

Elevation challenges: There are only a few flat holes. Some extremes - both up and down. Steady slopes, both up/down/across, for which to account. Up-n-over rises, across valleys/pits - pretty much every standard type of change.

Tightness: ranges from completely open to quite tight the entire duration, and everything in-between. The front is definitely more open than the back, but uses the scattered trees and pond to increase the challenge. The trees are tall and plentiful on the ridge hosting the bulk of the back nine, but most throwing paths are quite fair.

Distances: From the short tees, nearly all the holes are under 300', the exceptions being numbers 9 and 18, which are fairly similar - from the midpoint of a steep, wooded ridge, throw straight down and out, exiting into the open space for the last half of the hole. The long tees certainly add to the difficulty, increasing the overall distance by nearly 50%, with most holes over 300' in length. Numbers 9 & 18 become that much harder, needing to hold a steady line while dramatically losing elevation, as trees on both sides of the flightpath are more than happy to knock down a disc which strays of the straight and (fairly) narrow.

Shot-shapes: Straight and true, especially from the shorts, will serve you well on most holes, although a variety of right-turners, and a few sharp lefts, will be required at some point

Navigation was fairly simple. Some items of note:
• Both tees for #7 are actually on the pedestrian path - look for a sign on the tree, and stripes painted on the walkway.
• There is an alternate tee-8, with alternate basket-8 in the general area of long tee-3, above the pond.
• There is an alternate tee-9, near the road/before parking lot, which plays to basket-9
• You may think long basket-11 is a myth, until you reach long tee-12.
• There is, indeed, a short tee for #15 - it is a long walk around the rim to the right, look for a small path, on the right, up to a bench, after you've seemingly walked almost all the way to the basket!
• There is, indeed, a long tee for #17 - follow the small path behind/left of basket-16, the tee located just above long-tee #9.

Some holes - 8, 11, 15, 17 - have an alternate, Carolina-blue, long basket. Only one tee location for numbers 11 and 16. Teesigns primarily at short tee only.

Overall, an excellent course. Very nice variety/range in the tightness, and when combined with the omnipresent elevation changes, makes for a broad experience.

Elevation. It's darn nifty. This is another solid gem of a course from Harold Duvall. Virtually perfect variety in landscape terms; open, wooded, high to low and vice versa, and even some water in play makes it a lock as a must play. The wooded fairways are perfect examples of tough but fair, many were reminiscent of Castle Hayne style in terms of open enough to execute a variety of different lines but tight enough to punish poor throws, which I consider integral to a good course. Very well maintained park and course as the grass was nice and trim, practically litter free. Tee signs and next tee signage helps you navigate the separate tee layouts (short and long/am and pro) nearly flawlessly, and the tees themselves were excellently installed, smooth, level, and space-ish, which consisted of both cement and rubber mats. The alternate holes for 8 and 9 is a great little loop for a quick 9 to leave you near the parking lot, a great touch.

The hole variety was very good in terms of distance and L-R, encouraging golfers to be able to hit different lines like turnovers, hyzers, flex shots, FH, etc.

Mandos. I like mandos overall but the one on hole # 7 is just plain dumb. It prevents you from hyzering over the pond and forces you to squeeze a difficult TO or the less difficult FH up and over a hill plus a low ceiling provided by a pine tree branch. The result is a window that is really short for TOs to hit and the slope of hole makes it really easy for FHs to skip into the pond. I think the easier but more intimidating hyzer over the pond route would have given the course more character and versatility. I presume the mando is there to protect swimmers and fishermen but there were hardly neither when I played.

Unrealistic/awkward fairway shape on hole #13. It's an L-shaped hole that goes right but the turn is less than 50-60' it seems in front of the tee and it's very difficult to throw an anny and make it go 90 degrees to the right for ~200' for a chance to hit the basket. I don't think it's an impossible hole b/c it seems doable via a very high anny that floats forever or maybe a roller but it's just a strange, unconventional fairway design. It does look much more conventional/manageable from the long position though.

Flow was kind of sporadic, it was confusing where exactly the basket for #12 was at first, I thought it was a huge anhyzer but it was actually tucked away in the gap in the forest straight ahead. Not a big con since the next tee signs helped immensely.

Long walks between holes, especially on the back 9. I usually don't mind these too bad, especially if the walks take me to sweet holes which they do in this case, but most of these were up and down the mountainside so if you fit the stereotypical "Comic book store guy" from the Simpsons profile of discgolfers (hey, I'm almost there myself), you are going to get a workout.

Rollaways: It's a hilly, rolling mountainside type of course, so obviously there's some pins on hillsides, are precariously placed near dropoffs. So be wary of this, you might even want to bring out the Blowfly. This isn't really a con, just a warning really. It's much less brutal than many Charlotte area courses that seem to get off from denying you simple, non-scary putts on every hole (*cough, cough* Renny, Nevin).

Not the most secluded, get-back-to-nature type course, you feel like you're in a park virtually at all times.

I've heard some complaints about some holes being gimmicky but I didn't really see it that way, but I only played the short tees for a full 18 and then the longs from 1-7 and then the alternate loop 8 & 9.

Feels like: The Front 9 feel like a more hilly Cedarock or a more open Glenburnie and the Back 9 feels like a mountainous Castle Hayne or Hornet's Nest.

Score Justification: Phenomenal is a strong word. The course is very good and the views of the mountainsides are splendid but I feel like the cons I listed hold it back ever so slightly from being a 4.5-5.0. It's definitely a must-play and I'd be very proud of this course if it was my home though. I will definitely hit this course up from all the longs eventually and then the rating might scoot up but for now I think it's the best 4.0 course I've ever played, more like a 4.40.

Side Note: I ate at the Hardees in Jefferson and I think every dude in there had the circa 1988 Jose Canseco style bowl-cut. Pure awesomesauce.