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Lake Claiborne SP - Dogwood

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aclay
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 39.6 years 309 played 236 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Little brother course is plenty good

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jul 24, 2018 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

-- Just like Whitetail, the beauty of the land is perhaps the biggest pro for Dogwood. Elevation changes abound.
-- While I saw more deer on Whitetail, I did see a deer between the No. 1 tees for both courses.
-- You can't help but compare this course to Whitetail. This one is shorter, but has tighter lines. From the long tees, Dogwood has 2 holes under 200 feet and 4 over 400 feet. From the shorts, there are 6 holes under 200 feet and 3 that are 400 or longer. Seeing the short holes, you're thinking birdie fest but beware: If you miss your lines, you'll have to scramble for par and likely end up with a bogey.
-- Getting off the fairway will hurt your score, but the rough isn't so thick that you will likely lose a disc.
-- Restroom (and water to refill a bottle) available at the park entrance near hole 1.

Cons:

-- Cell phone reception is all but non existent. Free WiFi is available, but that wasn't much better than the cell phone reception.
-- Natural tees on my visits, but reports indicate concrete tee pads now.
-- Navigation and tee signs. The tee signs look very much like the ones at Whitetail with one notable exception: The signs at Dogwood don't list distance for the shorter tees. The distance listed on No. 14 is 263, but it's really under 200 feet. Also, finding your way from 12 to 13 can be a challenge.

Other Thoughts:

-- I rated Dogwood and Whitetail both as 4 originally, but Whitetail is better, and I raised it to 4.5 because of the new tees. If there were 1/4 discs, Dogwood would probably have been 3.75 with natural tee pads. With the concrete tee pads, it's a solid 4.0.
-- The beauty is stunning and the walk alone would be a nice workout. Speaking of that walk, come prepared. The walking itself will be a workout.
-- With lake in the name, you would expect some water, but there is none on this course.
-- The cabins are great. They are showing some signs of aging, but I understand that updates/redesigns are coming in fall 2018.
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Designer response by zeromiles2empty
Concrete tees have now been installed.
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wellsbranch250
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 10.3 years 658 played 637 reviews
4.00 star(s)

An Awesome Little Brother 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Apr 9, 2018 Played the course:once

Pros:

(3.853 Rating) (RE-EVALUATED) The slightly shorter version of two similar awesome courses.
- UPGRADED BACK TEES - I received word that the blue tees were recently upgraded to concrete, hence this revision. The tee conditions at the time of my visit was the sole reason I scored it a 3.5 instead of a 4.0. The new pads are 5 feet by 12 feet and I elevated my score for the course nearly 2 tenths of a point, 3.659 to 3.853
- RAW BEAUTY - As with Whitetail, Dogwood is personally one of the more beautiful courses I've ever played, and I'd place it in my top 20 (482 courses played as of this re-evaluation.) Similar to Whitetail, I'd say every hole on this layout looks above average and a bunch would be signature looks on 85% of the courses out there. Carved mostly through pines, but what makes this course a treasure is the constant rising, sinking and twisting of the elevation. There are several downhill tunnel shots, although the one's on Dogwood are not quite as epic looking as a couple holes on Whitetail. Hole (2) is the first of many beautiful downhill shots. Anyone like me who's a sucker for beautiful courses will love this place.
- ELEVATION - Lots. Anyone who enjoys constant elevation change will be thrilled. Hole (6) plays down at least 50 to 60 feet, and then back up at 30 to 40 feet. Hole (9) plays down about 30 feet and then back up 40 feet. Hole (17) is a wicked tee shot over a ridge and then plays into the base of a narrow valley with 30-degree slopes.
- HOLE VARIETY - In addition to the elevation change, there's some good variety on Dogwood, but quite a bit less than at Whitetail. Four par 4s. Three of these are doglegs, two to the right and one to the left. Lots of defined tunnel shots of varying widths twisting every which way. For example, hole (6) plays along the power line path and is 50 feet wide. On the flipside, other lines are razor thin. Hole (14) for instance, can't be much wider than 6 feet on the optimal line. As for noteworthy variety omissions, no true open shot, no par 5s, and no water elements other than dry washes.
- CHALLENGING - The back tees read as Intermediate level and the front tees read Recreational level. This course with the two-tee configuration should work for a wide swath of skill levels, 750 to 925. I'd say that the challenge from the back tees is well above average but short of what I personally desire in top tier courses.
- TEE SIGNAGE - The back tees have gorgeous tee signs. They still would rank in my personal top twenty on artistic appeal.
- NAVIGATION - Some basic omissions but still easy for a heavily wooded course. No course map was posted yet for my appearance, but perhaps it's there now. The park office has a map, and although its diagrammatic, it still helps a lot. Lots of navigational cues between holes and intuitive pathways. I personally only looked at my map once on Dogwood. Between (14) and (15) I didn't find any navigational cues, although that's probably fixed now.
- AMENITIES - In addition to the tee signage, I appreciated the few picnic tables along the layout. About half of the holes have multiple basket placements and there are marked short tees. There are restrooms and shelters in the park too. At the time I did wish there was more seating and more multiple basket placements, but perhaps that's been rectified too.

Cons:

A stellar course with only preferential complaints, several of which I don't subtract score for and are for information purposes only.
- THE SAME THING - Lake Claiborne is one of 20 places I've thrown multiple courses at one site. This is still the most similar pairing among these multi layout parks. Thankfully, it's an awesome style imo, but once completing both, it felt like something was missing. Still an awesome experience, I just sort-of wished that the pair offered some different looks.
- NO ADVANCED CHALLENGE - Very similar in difficulty to Whitetail offering a solid Intermediate challenge and I ended up throwing one over from the back tees as an Intermediate level player. From looking on the DGCR scorebook, it appears everyone is throwing higher than normal rated rounds here. The course is listed as heavily wooded, but these lines are often wider than normal for what I would define as a heavily wooded hole. When comparing Dogwood to the courses that I've rated at the 4.5 and beyond level, it just doesn't have the same level of cerebral intensity that I cherish.
- BASKET LOCATION INDICATOR - Courses like this with several blind basket locations could benefit by installing placement indicators. But again, perhaps they are there now.
- TERRAIN - If you have bad knees or ankles I'd stay clear of this course. As stated above, lots of elevation changes and also rocks and roots to stub a toe or twist an ankle on. Although not the best course for the disc golf cart, it looked doable for the hardier models.
- PARKING - Very few parking spots next to the course. I think I counted five. Perhaps all the course traffic comes from those at the camping locations and the spots don't fill up here.
- TIME PLAY - Dogwood is going to take a chunk out of your day. Not quite as time consuming as Whitetail but expect at least 75 minutes solo to complete the back tee layout. I could see a group of four seasoned players playing the back tees at around 2 1/2 to 3 hours.
- LOCATION - This gem is unfortunately out in the middle of nowhere.

Other Thoughts:

As with Whitetail, Dogwood is an awesome course. The courses are not quite identical twins, but I'd say that 22 of the 26 chromosomes are the same. Like Whitetail, players that love beautiful courses over undulating terrain and aren't too concerned with an Advanced challenge, will love this place and likely score it higher than I have. Definitely worth traveling multiple hours to play. A destination course no doubt. On a side note, among the 482 courses I've played as of this revision, The terrain here is among the most similar to my back yard course called V-Rock.
- PAY TO PLAY - Still only $3 to enter the park. A steal imo.

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Designer response by zeromiles2empty
Concrete tees have now been installed.
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blake833
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 14 years 160 played 140 reviews
4.00 star(s)

The little sibling course 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 2, 2018 Played the course:once

Pros:

I'm a sucker for the tight, technical courses that make you pick your line, and rewards you for hitting it and punishes you for missing it. I was severely punished many times on this course. You need almost surgical precision if you want to make par on your whole round.

The forest itself is quite lovely, and the holes carved out of it are inventive. The holes are not as lengthy as Whitetail, with no par 5's. Some people took this is a con, which I understand, but for me it was just the nature of having a different course. Dogwood is more humble than the Whitetail course, and doesn't need the par 5's to be as interesting. Each hole stands alone as complete without you ever thinking, "man I wish I could take another stroke here."

It may go without saying, but navigation was pretty easy here. I'm a navigational idiot, and I don't think I ever had to look at the map. I include this because a big part of "flow" of a course is when you can tap out, and just walk to the next tee. Usually wooded courses are more clear about where the next tee is, but a lot of this course isn't in the woods. Or runs concurrent with other walking trails. But it just flows and you get in rhythm.

Cons:

The tightness of the fairways is just a litttle too tight. If they were widened out a bit on the tighter holes to match whitetail, and preserve the same lines, this would be another 5 disc course.

The dirt tees aren't such a big deal, but having some level, root free tees on a couple holes would just give it that extra touch.

I found a tick on me when I got back to the hotel. That's not a course con and in no way affected my rating, but I felt like I should just let someone know in case I get Lyme Disease.

Other Thoughts:

Dogwood plays much more tightly than Whitetail, the other 18 hole course in the park, and I think that is the main difference between the two. You are in the same forest, similar elevation, but enjoy it slightly less with the more restrictive fairways, which seem almost suffocating after playing Whitetail. That being said, as a stand alone course, it alone is enough to divert me from I20 if I'm driving by to play. There are some incredible holes on this course. It's a great compliment to the absolute model of a course right next to it.
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Concrete tees have now been installed.
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Qikly
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 11.9 years 181 played 150 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 14, 2017 Played the course:once

Pros:

Lake Claiborne's Dogwood course benefits from the same rich terrain that Whitetail does: it's full of elevation changes and disc-vexing-but-beautiful tree cover. Dogwood makes good use of such terrain; the elevation is particularly welcome, especially in a region where it is so uncommon.

Dogwood focuses on shorter holes than Whitetail, measuring in about 1500 feet shorter than Whitetail's longs and 600 feet shorter than Whitetail's shorts, with half of the holes under 275 or so feet from the long tees. This difference is not insignificant, as Dogwood carries a definite sense of being more preoccupied with shorter, birdie-able par 3s. There are a lot of tight, up-the-gut shots here made varied by the nature of the accompanying elevation. It's a great course to test the accuracy of your short game. Even so, there are enough longer holes to cause you to break out your fairways sooner or later. Distance drivers need not apply. Next to the longer Whitetail, I appreciate Dogwood's clarity of focus: it's consistent enough to have an identity, but not enough to get overly repetitious.

Navigation is smooth. Course is well-groomed. The environment is beautiful. The course obviously benefits from having Whitetail right next door.

Cons:

Like Whitetail, I felt as though Dogwood's design was a bit conservative. I actually noticed this less here given the aforementioned apparent focus on shorter, technical holes - the presence of a "theme" seems to justify it - but still would love to see a bit more ambition or quirkiness to the design. As it stands the rich terrain helps counteract repetition and keep things fresh, but the hole layout itself is still so many straight shots. To this end, many of the longer holes seem more gratuitous distance than featuring novel design that justifies their greater length. If anything I feel Dogwood would benefit from being a bit shorter and even more focused on this theme, providing greater contrast to Whitetail and exploring more variety within such shorter hole lengths.

The course is definitely a hike, so bring plenty of water and don't be afraid to take breaks. Between this and Whitetail you're in for a decent workout no matter what shape you're in.

Other Thoughts:

Dogwood is a bit of a humbler animal than Whitetail but I think that suits it well. Both courses benefit from the awesome land here. I found them to be slightly overrated here on DGCR, but still great courses that sit among the best in Louisiana. They're definitely worth a visit!
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splatbaseball51
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 15.1 years 182 played 59 reviews
4.00 star(s)

A great course, but overshadowed by it's older brother 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 2, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

Just like Whitetail, you'll need many different shots to truly throw well. If you can't flick AND backhand, you'll be at a disadvantage.

The length of the holes were seemingly shorter than Whitetail, but still were plenty varied amongst themselves to challenge your arsenal of discs.

The fairways were mostly fair, but a few more nuisance trees/limbs could still be removed. This would help open up natural lanes which would still be challenging to hit, but more rewarding when pure'd. Overall, though, no major complaints with maintenance.

If you want a challenging woods course, Dogwood is still very much that, although you'll be mostly throwing putters and mids (again, like most any woods course).

Both courses, even the newer Dogwood, have very little EXTREME rough. If you go off the fairway (you will), you won't likely look for hours for your disc. It's still trouble to be there, but hopefully not the same way you're used to seeing. The undergrowth was tame, which was really refreshing to see.

Cons:

Dogwood feels like many other woods courses I've played in Appalachia. It doesn't have anything special that sets it apart (unlike Whitetail). Maybe that was simply my impression because of how new it was, but maybe not. To me it will always be the lesser course, but still plenty worthy of your time and its construction.

The fairways are fair, but not as manicured as Whitetail. This, once again, may simply be due to its young age.

The biggest con I had with Dogwood was navigation. We arrived before anyone was manning the gate (we paid afterward) so we didn't have a map or scorecard. I HIGHLY recommend saving one on your phone beforehand. We took the wrong path several times, once resulting in a 10min walk in the wrong direction. (Trying to find hole 15 or 16 I believe) The course needs more navigation signs. You shouldn't have to rely solely on a map.

Like Whitetail, there aren't any benches and the teepads are natural. Nicer amenities could help both courses immensely.

Dogwood is also not 9-hole loops, which is really never a good thing. It doesn't allow you to easily play 1 9-hole round, hurts tourney/weekly play and won't allow for a refuel stop after 9 holes. Pack it in, pack it out out here.

There wasn't an iconic hole on Dogwood. Most were plenty fine enough, but nothing stood out. Like I said, Dogwood felt like any number of woods courses you've played before. It could benefit a lot by making a more iconic hole if possible. Whitetail has at least 5 or more of them.

Dogwood is also significantly less difficult than Whitetail. It might not be represented in your score, but the length of the two courses seemed vastly different. (Whitetail is 1500ft longer from blues) Dogwood could benefit from a few more challenging par 4's and 5's, but for now serves as an adequate warm-up for big bro.

Even though they're on the same property, Dogwood just feels different. Whitetail definitely got the prime real estate near the lake. There isn't any water on Dogwood, the fairways are still freshly cut and don't have that manicured feel, all leading to Dogwood feeling worlds away. Standalone, Dogwood wouldn't warrant a drive out of the way but is still a plenty fine course.

Other Thoughts:

I definitely recommend playing Dogwood before you play Whitetail, so that you can end on a better note. After Dogwood, I wasn't optimistic for Whitetail but was more than pleasantly surprised. Hopefully with time Dogwood will mature and beat in, but I don't think it will ever outshine Whitetail. I hope to make it back one day and to be pleasantly surprised.
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Designer response by zeromiles2empty
Thanks for you reviews. We are currently adding navigation and Red Tee signs for both courses.
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markmcc
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 12 years 278 played 254 reviews
4.00 star(s)

New Review - 3+ Years Later 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Dec 16, 2014 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

I originally reviewed this course beck in December of 2014 when it was nine holes. I took a lot of heat and got a lot of thumbs down. I finally made it back in March 2018 to play the finished course and have updated my review.

The Dogwood Course is a great compliment to the longer, more open Whitetail Course. Dogwood places a premium on finesse and accuracy as it is a shorter, tighter course with a LOT of elevation. This is a course where short, straight putter drives will often yield a better score than "going for it" with a driver.

Most holes offer both a blue and red tee. I played only from the longer blues. The range of hole lengths range from 192' out to 581', with all of the par 3's under 350'.

The course is on a fantastic tract of mature forest growing on rolling hills. The challenge comes mainly from shaping drives through tight fairways, and dealing with the ups and downs presented by the hills.

Virtually every hole has a significant elevation element. You are driving either uphill or downhill, or occasionally across a deep depression or over a crest.

About 2/3 of the baskets are positioned on ground steep enough to create soul-crushing rollaways. Nothing like hitting metal from 25' and watching your disc roll 60' down a hill!! Take care when running putts!

Innova baskets catch great, and the yellow band is helpful in the shaded woods. Teepads are natural and a little rough in spots, but are holding up reasonably well. Very nicely done tee signs at the blue tees.

Cons:

For me, the lack constructed teepads is a significant issue. Top level courses have concrete, or at least defined pads. Here you find yourself standing in the vicinity of a tee sign, in an irregular scuffed out area. I did note that Hole 7 had a buried toeboard to define the front of the box, as moving left even a few feet really cuts the angle to the basket. The rest of the holes could benefit from some definition as well.

My other "con" about the course is that virtually all holes offer a single tight line to the basket. No real choices of path or FH vs. BH. Creation of additional lines on a few holes would be welcome.

The signs on the blue tees are excellent, but the red tees still have only a simple post with a number. There are no basket position indicators, and with most holes being blind I found myself walking up (often WAY up) the fairways to spot the pin.

A few navigation signs are present, and a few more would be welcome.

Other Thoughts:

Lake Claiborne is an outstanding Disc Golf destination. Once of the nicest pieces of disc golf land I've played on, with two really good courses.
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Designer response by zeromiles2empty
Thanks for the review, but we were waiting to add this course to DGCR when it was complete. We've just finished installing the complete 18 hole course with proper navigation and tee signs. The existing signs were for temporary use only. Would love to have you revisit and update your review.

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