- Challenging par 4's and 5's that require strategy considering risk / reward and good execution
- Most baskets and pads are new and in great shape
- Elevation changes create fun shots
- Water is used well on the front 9

- Grass is typically long on 4-7
- Wooded fairways on 11-13 are not very fun IMO. Good shots sometimes do not reward you with a good lie and two of them force very short RHBH hyzers to get into position for an upshot. Could have opened them up a little more to offer a few more options off of the tee. That said forcing distance control off the tee and playing for a lie is unique to the area courses.
- Not confident all golfers will wait on people to clear off the sidewalks through the woods potentially creating dangerous situations.
- Both sides of the park need a good tree trimming though the hillside is worse. Many tunnels have sagging branches forcing you over or around the trees when the hole looks like it was designed with the tunnel as the fairway.
- Not a con for me (until the summer lol) but it is a long walk without a lot of shade on half the course. Definitely bring plenty of water and a seat
-Signage is MUCH IMPROVED but still not the most intuitive to follow. Download the map from the links above or print it before playing this course for the first time.

Overall I really enjoy the challenge of this layout and the variety of shots required to score respectably. I think these two new course designs at Live Oak Park are bringing the San Antonio area into modern times in terms of course design with the actual par 4's and 5's mixed into both layouts. That said I feel like a few of the wooded par 4's could use a little more clearing and also wish the elevation from the hills on 4-7 was utilized a little better. I'm imagining having a pin placement for #4 on the elevated peninsula where 7's box is or forcing an uphill midrange on 5 rather than a little chipshot hyzer with a drop-off on the right.

I will miss the old layout since I learned the game playing it but the new course is still amazing in my mind. Nostalgia only goes so far when discs have improved so much that you didn't need to pull a driver out until hole 9 on the original lake layout. Got a little routine... This course fits the modern discs much better and also seems to be much more geared to strategy and execution which I really appreciate.

If the grass and trees were always trimmed it would easily be 4.5 and if the handful of fairways were opened up it would be a no-brainer 5 rating.

- I will try to snap pictures on a nice day and upload and also maybe create a new page for the newly redesigned 18 on the poolside of the park.