Parking. Bathrooms. Views. Picnic tables. Although there is usually wind, it's generally consistent. Typically you will have the wind in your face for the front eleven holes and at your back for the back nine, or vice versa depending on the season.

It's a workout for sure, but the tee pads that have been built so far are often nicely elevated. Many holes play far longer than listed, and the extra height off the tee is very inspiring.

Due to elevated tee's, even beginners are throwing far on many holes. When it goes wrong, it goes way bad. Experienced spotters are a must, or you can add an hour or three to your round as there are no fairways to speak of on many holes. Some have vast fields of impenetrable bushes and scrub the entire way to the basket. Some holes you will be required to throw as far as you can into often chest high fields of sage and other assorted bushes.

The top of the world shot on hole 20 is the best and the worst of this course. You can watch a disc hit the ground 650 feet out and still spend 2 hours looking for it. Every other time I come out here, I lose a driver on this hole. As there is no fairway, even well-placed throws can disappear in the brush forever. I suggest, you shoot for the road to the left on this hole.

The course doesn't see enough traffic to get beat in. It doesn't get played enough because it's not beat in. It seems every year it gets more overgrown.

As others have said, there is no shade, be sure to plan your visit accordingly.

Play in mid-morning or evening when the wind is the lightest, and the heat is the least.

Overall, the course needs fairway work. Its missing something to aim at for many drives, even for pro's. The dirt is easily workable. An hour or so with a light bulldozer or a bobcat on several holes would change this place dramatically. It's kind of lame throwing great shots directly into endless bushes.

This course has some serious potential. Even without tree's the elevation changes, the cliffs, the drop offs, I want it to be great. I'd love to go in there with my backhoe and strategically clear some brush here and there. Not too much, but it needs fairway clearings before people will play this course in mass. Something to drive at on each hole is a must-have. If not, the only option is throwing into bushes on way too many drives.

Hole 13 needs a marker to indicate where the tee pad is. I don't know which spot on the road is the tee.

Hmmm...pros...pros. Little difficult to think of things that are actual pros here.

- There are no crowds and there is plenty of open space. Really nice tee pads (where there are tee pads), and nice baskets. Great practice basket. Incredible views down the canyon.

- Like "swinging with two weighted bats" then going to play your regular course. Play just nine holes here, then go play Ann Mo and it will feel like you can throw a mile in the park.

- when I purchase a new disc that feels stiff and needs to get beaten in I can either deliberately throw it against some rocks and trees to beat it up a bit, or I can play a round here once and call it done.

This is an easier question.

- The holes are way too long. Some courses, holes over 500' are the exception. Here they are the rule. Holes under 500' are the exception instead. For the guys with the really big arms that can throw a putter 350+ I can see them enjoying it. Personally I get angry with courses where distance is the primary obstacle and find it difficult to get the peace of mind I normally get from a round because I am so frustrated by how long every hole is.

- Aside from distance, elevation is the only other real obstacle in play here. Sagebrush is not really an obstacle, just a constant irritant. There are no "fairways" to speak of, just throwing over a sea of sagebrush over and over and over again. You can look for a clear spot and try to throw there, but distance is deceiving here because of the many changes in elevation on virtually every hole.

- Walk up to throw down. Lots and lots of this. Then for some variety, there's "walk up to throw down and across, unless you can't throw 400' - then walk up to throw down to throw and walk back up again." I am in reasonable shape, and this course just kicks my butt to the point that I am just not having a good time.

- "Greasewood Goblins." This is the un-official course mascot. They hide in big clumps of greasewood/sagebrush and steal your discs.

- I have never once come home from this course without scratches all over my arms and legs, and socks full of burrs and cheatgrass. Just nasty. Sometimes if it rains, the stickiest clay/mud you have ever seen. In the dry heat of summer it's almost like Mars dirt in patches. Get it wet, it clumps on your shoes, adds weight and is just plain nasty.

There are courses that offer positive challenge which make you a better player. Then there's Lydle Gulch Gold. This course just makes me tired and angry. I have played it through a few times, hole 20 is fun but still just brutal and just getting there without collapsing of heat stroke or exhaustion is a miracle for the casual player.

This is a course for big (huge) arm players with an iron constitution, in peak physical shape. Anybody else is just going to have a bad time. I play it from time to time to remind myself of these things. I had really high hopes for this course, but it's just not built for the intermediate or casual player. Halve the distance on half the holes and it would be more playable.