If you can't see the basket from the tee it's in the long position down the hill to the right into a hollow behind the large evergreen far up on the right hand side. I don't have the long forehand shot (for a right-hander. Perfect setup for a lefty) that would go strait and curl down the hill at the end. I pretty much have to leave it in the clear beyond and a bit left of that tree to give me and open shot down the hill to the basket.