Penalty for DNF and tanking

[crashzero]

I'll go a step farther and say that it's a solution to something that isn't a problem at all. Who cares if someone has a artificially inflated score? There is no competitive advantage to it. You can only get a competitive advantage if your rating is low. The PDGA shouldn't be trying to regulate bragging rights. What's next, a penalty for claiming you have more aces than you really do? What about a penalty for your message board distance not matching what you can actually throw?

agreed, another pointless rule for a problem that doesn't need it. just the rules nazi's engaging in more self gratification and pro-punishment mentality

the pdga is becoming more and more like the democrat party

 

[jenb]

Would you have preferred 999s and no payout?

How many holes did you skip? Anything more than 3 holes would have likely resulted in a dropped round (like you stated).

He was dead wrong for continuing play with lightning/unsafe conditions.

He stopped play for a while, but restarted when the lightning was more distant. The lightning was still lighting up the ground around us, but it was really the flash flood conditions on the course that gave us pause. He responded that he threw off those dirt tees with water running over his feet and we could do the same. I think that multiple players DNFing over the conditions speaks loudly enough. I think it was exactly 3 holes we skipped, but might have been 4.

 

[Cgkdisc]

agreed, another pointless rule for a problem that doesn't need it. just the rules nazi's engaging in more self gratification and pro-punishment mentality

the pdga is becoming more and more like the democrat party

If all player's actually had sportsmanship like the ideals and traditions expressed for ball golf and disc golf, these types of penalties wouldn't be needed. But the reality is...

 

[dukdukgolf]

its got no teeth, TD's wont enforce this or at least not often. all talk.

 

[crashzero]

If all player's actually had sportsmanship like the ideals and traditions expressed for ball golf and disc golf, these types of penalties wouldn't be needed. But the reality is...

no one can possibly know this for certain, therefore its not for us or any TD to decide

 

[Cgkdisc]

its got no teeth, TD's wont enforce this or at least not often. all talk.

Maybe not in some cases but that's also a sportsmanship issue. 999s and 888s will be tracked this year connected with both players and TDs to see any patterns compared with 999s in 2011 and 2012. More stringent options are available depending on how the test goes this year.

 

[Cgkdisc]

no one can possibly know this for certain, therefore its not for us or any TD to decide

It's true you can't know. But calling the rules whether by players, opponents or officials is a part of all games and this is no different than some where intent of the offender may have to be judged.

 

[Scoot_er]

It's true you can't know. But calling the rules whether by players, opponents or officials is a part of all games and this is no different than some where intent of the offender may have to be judged.

Then why not just make it a card decision? Kick the guy out of the event if the rest of the card calls him on it and reports to the TD?

I did see a guy take a 20+ this year....throwing the disc like 15ft each time.

 

[jenb]

I'm coming back from spinal surgery a week ago, and I wonder if I could be called on this for playing in spite of injury.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Then why not just make it a card decision? Kick the guy out of the event if the rest of the card calls him on it and reports to the TD?

I did see a guy take a 20+ this year....throwing the disc like 15ft each time.

The 5 point penalty has been added but the Competition rule regarding manipulation that can result in DQ is still in force.

 

[juju]

I watched a guy take a 26 on a pretty short hole without even touching the disc with his hands.

 

[keith johnson]

Matt,

You are 100% incorrect about this. As a member of the discipline committee, this issue has come up multiple times.

The only way someone can be denied entry to an event outside of obvious things like it's a masters tournament and they aren't 40 are:
- The player is not legally allowed on the property
- The owner of the property (whether it be a private citizen or the city or parks) doesn't want that person on their property
- The player is suspended from PDGA play
- The player is suspended from PDGA events at that course

But not liking someone isn't enough to deny entry.

Robert,

You are forgetting the best way to do it without causing ANY issues - I have done it several times before and will be doing it for EVERY PDGA Event I run going forward (until Chuck invents some way around it ) - Make your Event an Invitation Only Event - then you are free to choose which PDGA members to get an invite.

It keeps all of the players who WANT to play your Event happy that some that don't care about whether or not they play - or whether or not they can be good sportspeople during the Event out of the same Event you WANT to play in.

Keith

 

[Toro71]

I actually had 5 different Wizards, and a caddy. It was super fun.

I managed to get a putt on hole 10 which I was not able to do at all during my previous rounds there throwing with my full bag.

Smith is def one of those where I score better if I leave everything > speed 7 in the back of the car.

 

[mj20300]

If all player's actually had sportsmanship like the ideals and traditions expressed for ball golf and disc golf, these types of penalties wouldn't be needed. But the reality is...

correct!!!

 

[jenb]

@all posters - Problems with tanking and DNFing among some pros in Europe to maintain their rating triggered the recent effort to address this simmering issue. Even though the Competition Rule has been there for a while, it wasn't being called perhaps since no penalty was indicated along with a way for TDs to easily report it. Many events there and now a few events in the U.S. use minimum ratings to determine when players may register and gradually drop that number until the event fills. Not offering Am divisions in many events compounds the problem since players as low as 900 are forced to enter Open to play at all.

I thought you were talking about Jesper Lundmark, since he is the only European pro having a really high rating right now. But after spending the last 1.5 hours combing through all the Swedish tournament results over the past year, I see very few DNFs, none from Jesper, and I didn't notice any repetitive DNFers. I have no idea where or when these European DNFs occurred, or why anyone would care, but for the record, it's not Jesper.

 

[Toro71]

I watched a guy take a 26 on a pretty short hole without even touching the disc with his hands.

Oh, snap, I smell a new format...one of you TDs need to throw a "soccer style" tourney...throw and distance for a "hand disc." two times is a "red card," DQed.

Edit: I'm crossing the center line, here. Sorry, time for me to call it a note.

 

[Cgkdisc]

I thought you were talking about Jesper Lundmark, since he is the only European pro having a really high rating right now. But after spending the last 1.5 hours combing through all the Swedish tournament results over the past year, I see very few DNFs, none from Jesper, and I didn't notice any repetitive DNFers. I have no idea where or when these European DNFs occurred, or why anyone would care, but for the record, it's not Jesper.

Actually no player names were ever mentioned and it wouldn't be the top guys but the ones with ratings near the minimum ratings used to determine registrations. The complaints came from European TDs who had either observed the problem or were involved in discussions where players indicated the PDGA hadn't closed the loophole that allowed tanking/DNFing with no penalty.

 

[spikodelhyzer]

Smith is def one of those where I score better if I leave everything > speed 7 in the back of the car.

I can't even think of a hole where you need something faster than a pred/firebird. The pred is the faster disc I throw there and only for a couple holes for flicks.

 

[Scoot_er]

I can't even think of a hole where you need something faster than a pred/firebird. The pred is the faster disc I throw there and only for a couple holes for flicks.

Sounds like an awesome world's course!!!:\

 

[spikodelhyzer]

Sounds like an awesome world's course!!!:\

Avery?