WORLD FIASCO

[Mr. Anderson]

I know for the fact that the local organizers of Portland Worlds wanted to have a rating based tiered sign up system (just like Beaver State Fling) but the PDGA decided to not go with that system. (even though they know the problem we are discussing currently was going to happen) It is what it is. Props to those who were punctual.

 

[bhadella]

also, there's not even a wait list for FPM. There are 8 registered with no waitlisters. so is this even an issue?

:clap:

 

[Anon]

I have a problem understanding why "top touring pros" should be preferred entry treatment over any qualified golfer. This make it better for whom?

Because they are the best and SHOULD be the ones competing to be the "World Champion."

Qualified DG'ers should also get in, but I think having all the top pro's makes the tournament much more representative of what a "World Championship" should be.

I know USDGC is all about that and some in here are saying that World's is a convention first and a competition second.

Basically we all just want to see MJ get his chance to play, despite missing whatever deadlines there were. LOL.

 

[Loomis]

I know for the fact that the local organizers of Portland Worlds wanted to have a rating based tiered sign up system (just like Beaver State Fling) but the PDGA decided to not go with that system. (even though they know the problem we are discussing currently was going to happen) It is what it is. Props to those who were punctual.

And now we finally scrape back the pile of horse apples to reveal the idiots in question. Thank You, Mr. Anderson.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I have a problem understanding why "top touring pros" should be preferred entry treatment over any qualified golfer. This make it better for whom?

The idea that a World Championship should be a competition of the best in the world and not a 925 rated golfer who gets to play because he signed up 6 hours earlier than a 1027 rated golfer.

 

[sprintermatt]

I have a problem understanding why "top touring pros" should be preferred entry treatment over any qualified golfer. This make it better for whom?

There's a set of criteria... much stricter criteria to earn a "touring card". Only about 100 people make it each year. That's among ALL divisions. Even FPG can earn a touring card. So why not open it up to this smaller subset of qualified players first, which gives players who will likely go to Worlds, a chance to get in... these are people who have entered or won substantial tournaments, likely in more than their local area.

Not all of them will go, but the ones who make it their business to compete would appreciate a bit of a buffer.

I'm not saying these people are more privileged than anyone else, they just meet a stricter set of requirements.

Would you rather lend money to a 650 credit rated person over an 820 credit rated person? Which would you offer the money to first?

 

[Mattallica]

It says 5 spots open and mj is 3 on the wait list. What am I missing?

 

[sprintermatt]

there are 5 spots in smaller divisions, but all the BIG divisions have waitlists. They basically can't give spots in Pool G to players in pool A.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

They are still saving 5 spots for age protected divisions that have not been filled. 3 Mens Legends,1 Womens Legend, and 1 Womens Grandmaster.

 

[sprintermatt]

plus there's a "Grand Legend" placeholder... didn't know this was even a thing.

 

[Matt B.]

also, there's not even a wait list for FPM. There are 8 registered with no waitlisters. so is this even an issue?

Hilarious! All these FPM players who have been so unfairly shut out and discriminated against, didn't even try to sign up?

 

[bwgort]

I know for the fact that the local organizers of Portland Worlds wanted to have a rating based tiered sign up system (just like Beaver State Fling) but the PDGA decided to not go with that system. (even though they know the problem we are discussing currently was going to happen) It is what it is. Props to those who were punctual.

Seems like that would be a system that is in direct contradiction for the way the PDGA advertises qualifying for worlds. If the PDGA were to change their protocols, wouldn't that just cause a stir from the other side of people this would effect?

 

[DavidSauls]

Out of curiosity --- how fast did the Open division fill?

 

[Mr. Anderson]

My recollection was less than 24hrs for open to fill. Masters filled soon afterward.

 

[Rob Martin]

What if Worlds was reserved for just Open (no gender or age restricitons) and Pro Women. If you are not good enough to compete in these divisions, then play in the Tim Selinske Masters, or Am Worlds.

I do think that in all of these tournaments that sell out fast (primarily Worlds), there does need to be a staggered registration based on a rating and points formula.

I'm speaking from someone who competed in MM1 (Am Masters) Am Worlds in last year as a sub-850 simply because I played in enough Recreational Tournaments. I know people were shut out, but hey, if you give me the opportunity, I'm going to take it.

 

[Loomis]

Hilarious! All these FPM players who have been so unfairly shut out and discriminated against, didn't even try to sign up?

No. They did try. They gave up when they were told they weren't going to get in. They can't sit on a wait list that might open up a week or two before the event. That doesn't give them time to make arrangements to travel to the event, find a place to stay or cover any issues that they might have at home. It might be easy for an OPEN player to sit on a waiting list hoping for a last second spot, but not so much for others.

The lack of a waiting list doesn't suggest a lack of interest in participating at Worlds, only a lack of interest in sitting on a waiting list.

 

[New013]

it should be like golf majors. if you accumulate enough points over a season you're given a spot. if you finished high enough say in the previous 5 years you're given a spot. if you've won you get something like 20 years of getting a spot.

you give those people a certain amount of time to sign up and if it doesn't fill then you open it up.

 

[DavidSauls]

My recollection was less than 24hrs for open to fill. Masters filled soon afterward.

Wow, I didn't realize it filled that fast.

Maybe it is time for a tiered registration, after all.

 

[jeverett]

My recollection was less than 24hrs for open to fill. Masters filled soon afterward.

It opened at midnight (Eastern time), and (if I recall right) filled by ~10am (Pacific time) the next morning. I posted a message to MJ asking if he was still wanting to register about 10min before the last 5 MPO spots filled. So roughly 12 hours total to fill MPO.

 

[jeverett]

Wow, I didn't realize it filled that fast.

Maybe it is time for a tiered registration, after all.

For the Pacific Northwest (particularly the Portland, OR area), big events really do fill in a matter of hours, making a very good argument for some form of selective/tiered registrations.

The folks who are in charge of Portland Worlds have run the NT Beaver State Fling for a number of years, and use a tiered registration system for that event because otherwise it will fill in 10 minutes flat (In 2009 before the tiered system was implemented it did indeed fill in 10 minutes, crashing the online reg. server too).