[Question] Looking for the Rhyno specialist..

[Marmoset]

There's some solid info! Are your Sannys original tooling (similar to the Ontarios)?

No, mine are all new enough to not have the patent number. I don't know anything about any original Sanny tooling… Is that a thing? My understanding is that Innova was originally in Ontario, then San Marino, now Rancho. So if I have some Ranchos with patent #s then it seems like there *should* be some patent # Sannys out there. I just don't have any in my stash of 20 or so.

I looked into the Thumtrac patent and I thought it was an interesting read.

The Patent was filed March 2, 1994... so according to Google:

For applications filed before June 8, 1995 and for patents that were still in force on June 8, 1995, the patent term is either 17 years from the issue date or 20 years from the filing date of the earliest U.S. or international (PCT) application to which priority is claimed (excluding provisional applications), the longer term applying.

...the Thumtrac patent has already expired?
The Sannys I got in the mail last week still have the # on top.
Conspiracy time!opcorn:

 

[Marmoset]

I just sent this e-mail to Innova and I will post a response if/when I get one:

I noticed the Thumtrac patent #5,531,624 was filed on March 2 1994. If my sources are correct, this patent should be expired.
-Is it expired?
-Will the patent number be removed from the tooling?
For clarification I am not interested in producing a competing product, I am just a Rhyno lover that is interested in any potential intentional/unintentional mold changes that might happen during the mold modifications.
thank you
m-

 

[cooter]

...the Thumtrac patent has already expired?
The Sannys I got in the mail last week still have the # on top.
Conspiracy time!opcorn:

It appears it's expired because Trilogy has two thumbtrack Rhyno copies coming out.

 

[DiscinFiend]

I didn't know which thread to post this question so I chose this one. Which premium plastic Rhyno (in general) has the least amount of skip?

 

[Keller]

I didn't know which thread to post this question so I chose this one. Which premium plastic Rhyno (in general) has the least amount of skip?

G-Star. From my experience anyway

But no Rhyno really skips all that much

 

[Sydex]

My DX Rhynos tend to sit when they land. GStar tend to bounce around a little.

 

[Marmoset]

I don't know about the *least* amount of skip but Champs don't skip much at all. Controlling the landing angle is important... if you have the control then you can guarantee little to no skip.

 

[DanJon]

I didn't know which thread to post this question so I chose this one. Which premium plastic Rhyno (in general) has the least amount of skip?

Those super gummy champs.

 

[DiscinFiend]

The reason I ask is I'm just getting back into Rhynos. I haven't bagged one in a few years. I have a few stiff (Rancho) current production Champion Rhynos. They're great in ideal conditions. Though in wet conditions the grip isn't great. Plus they skip more than I'd like on longer shots (excluding short approach shots). Hole #1 at the course closest to me is 250-300' (very downhill). In the warmer months my regular production Champion Rhynos land next to the basket then skip 30' left (RHBH) when thrown with flat. I play very wooded courses so I'd prefer a Rhyno in premium plastic. I have a couple domey (Rancho) XG Champion Rhynos that I bought recently. I've only used them in this winter (never owned an XG before December). They're flexible but not very grippy in the winter months. Hopefully they'll be better by spring (hit & stick). They either skip off the ice or hit/stick in the snow (WI winter disc golf sucks :wall. I just ordered a (San Marino) Champion off eBay because I had one a few years ago. If I remember correctly, it was was more grippy than my (Rancho) XGs are with a flatter top. My point is I want a Rhyno in premium plastic that skips less than my stiff current production Ranchos in warmer weather. I have no experience with Star or GStar Rhynos. Should I just suck it up & get a few (Stiff) Pro Rhynos off the factory store? Wild my XGs be better in the warmer months? Should I go with a Star/Gstar? Will my San Marino fit the bill?...sorry for the long post...I need a Rhyno specialist.

 

[Marmoset]

How long do you want them to last? The R-Pros that I used to use on my heavily wooded courses would last for more than one season and still have some stability. R-Pro is pretty good about sitting where you hit. I didn't mention this before because you asked for premium plastic and I don't consider R-Pro to be premium.

I gave them up because I found that I don't like driving, approaching or putting with the softer plastic. I prefer to use a mixture of Stiff DX and champ. If I kept them in the bag it would only be for tricky landings specifically.

 

[SD86]

I don't know about the *least* amount of skip but Champs don't skip much at all. Controlling the landing angle is important... if you have the control then you can guarantee little to no skip.

This. My Champion (Rancho) Rhyno doesn't have much skip, either.

 

[cooter]

I vote R-Pro. All they do is stick when they land. It's actually one of my favorite Rhyno plastics. I do, or have owned pretty much every type of Rhyno including CE. In my bag now are two R-Pro and one Proline. You either love it or hate it but I like the grip and flight. They do really sit when they land too. If you want a more premium Rhyno that sits I would say hunt some gummy Champ.

 

[Keller]

If you don't mind the plastic, R-pro is the way to go, they pretty much sit where they hit and they are great in the cold and wet. When it's hot out, I sometimes switch to G*. I've become used to softer Rhynos.

 

[DiscinFiend]

How long do you want them to last? The R-Pros that I used to use on my heavily wooded courses would last for more than one season and still have some stability. R-Pro is pretty good about sitting where you hit. I didn't mention this before because you asked for premium plastic and I don't consider R-Pro to be premium.

I gave them up because I found that I don't like driving, approaching or putting with the softer plastic. I prefer to use a mixture of Stiff DX and champ. If I kept them in the bag it would only be for tricky landings specifically.

I want it to last quite awhile. I used to cycle KC Aviars for driving/approaches. I switched to premium plastic driving putters because I had to cycle in a new KC Aviar every 2 months. I play mostly wooded courses 2-4 rounds a week in the warmer months. I'm worried a Pro Rhyno will lose its fade too quickly. I know Pro Rhynos aren't premium plastic. That's why I said "suck it up & get a few ". Any experience with Star/GStar? I'm not a big fan of GStar. I'd bag a GStar/Star Rhyno if it hits & sticks like a Pro Rhyno (with the added durability of premium plastic). My point is I'll go Pro if the general consensus is I won't need to go through more than 2 of them a year.

 

[ilmcgee]

I want it to last quite awhile. I used to cycle KC Aviars for driving/approaches. I switched to premium plastic driving putters because I had to cycle in a new KC Aviar every 2 months. I play mostly wooded courses 2-4 rounds a week in the warmer months. I'm worried a Pro Rhyno will lose its fade too quickly. I know Pro Rhynos aren't premium plastic. That's why I said "suck it up & get a few ". Any experience with Star/GStar? I'm not a big fan of GStar. I'd bag a GStar/Star Rhyno if it hits & sticks like a Pro Rhyno (with the added durability of premium plastic). My point is I'll go Pro if the general consensus is I won't need to go through more than 2 of them a year.

Sounds like you want gummy champ.

 

[DiscinFiend]

Sounds like you want gummy champ.

I have two (Rancho) XG Champion Rhynos. I got them in December. I've never owned any XG Rhynos before then. They have some dome to them. I'd prefer them flat topped. I'm hoping they'll be nicer when the snow melts. Right now they either have zero skip when they hit snow or skip a lot off of ice. They're flexible for sure but the grip isn't the greatest when they're wet. Maybe I just got two that aren't as grippy as most XG Rhynos. I have a flat top gummy (San Marino) Champion on its way to me. I ordered it online. I hope its more grippy than my Ranchos. Though if I end up loving it it'll be hard to replace if I ever lose it/beat it up too much. I'd prefer a regular production/easy to replace plastic Rhyno.

 

[Marmoset]

Any experience with Star/GStar? ... My point is I'll go Pro if the general consensus is I won't need to go through more than 2 of them a year.

No, sorry, no experience with Star or GStar.
My DX and Champ do everything I need.

I used to play almost as much as you and my one R-Pro Rhyno that I used for that season still has stability. A little less fade but still stable. My friends' R-Pro Rhynos clovered but mine didn't. I guess that part is hit or miss. Theirs were still stable as well.

That was about 8 years ago. I can't vouch for the current runs of R-Pro.

 

[pjhayes7]

So I throw older gummy Star Rhynos. I bought a Gstar to compare to them, and it is virtually the same. Gummy, but not floppy. Virtually flat, although just a little dome. It is San Marino, and I am not sure if Gstar Ranchos exist. Not as stable as Champs I have tried, but retains stability very well. As far as skips, it depends on what it is landing on. Grass you will get virtually no skip, but dirt and ice in Op's case, you will definitely get some skip. Not a ton, but you do have to factor it in depending on the ground where the disc will land.

My recommendation would be try a Gstar. I think as long as you don't expect no skip, you will be happy with it. Also, grip is pretty decent even when cold.

 

[ilmcgee]

I have two (Rancho) XG Champion Rhynos. I got them in December. I've never owned any XG Rhynos before then. They have some dome to them. I'd prefer them flat topped. I'm hoping they'll be nicer when the snow melts. Right now they either have zero skip when they hit snow or skip a lot off of ice. They're flexible for sure but the grip isn't the greatest when they're wet. Maybe I just got two that aren't as grippy as most XG Rhynos. I have a flat top gummy (San Marino) Champion on its way to me. I ordered it online. I hope its more grippy than my Ranchos. Though if I end up loving it it'll be hard to replace if I ever lose it/beat it up too much. I'd prefer a regular production/easy to replace plastic Rhyno.

The two gummy champs I've owned were Sanny's. Neither were advertised as flat tops either. While I didn't hold on to them, I would think they would offer the most durability and provide the hit and stick you want. Yes, grip isn't great, but never really is with champ.

Also, in my experience, Sanny's are most common in Rhynos these days. So consider that for whatever plastic you end up choosing.

 

[HiFi]

The reason I ask is I'm just getting back into Rhynos. I haven't bagged one in a few years. I have a few stiff (Rancho) current production Champion Rhynos. They're great in ideal conditions. Though in wet conditions the grip isn't great. Plus they skip more than I'd like on longer shots (excluding short approach shots). Hole #1 at the course closest to me is 250-300' (very downhill). In the warmer months my regular production Champion Rhynos land next to the basket then skip 30' left (RHBH) when thrown with flat. I play very wooded courses so I'd prefer a Rhyno in premium plastic. I have a couple domey (Rancho) XG Champion Rhynos that I bought recently. I've only used them in this winter (never owned an XG before December). They're flexible but not very grippy in the winter months. Hopefully they'll be better by spring (hit & stick). They either skip off the ice or hit/stick in the snow (WI winter disc golf sucks :wall. I just ordered a (San Marino) Champion off eBay because I had one a few years ago. If I remember correctly, it was was more grippy than my (Rancho) XGs are with a flatter top. My point is I want a Rhyno in premium plastic that skips less than my stiff current production Ranchos in warmer weather. I have no experience with Star or GStar Rhynos. Should I just suck it up & get a few (Stiff) Pro Rhynos off the factory store? Wild my XGs be better in the warmer months? Should I go with a Star/Gstar? Will my San Marino fit the bill?...sorry for the long post...I need a Rhyno specialist.

The GStar are very good. Good in all conditions, grab the chains well, and has just the right amount of OS-ness to get a decent amount of distance without it turning over in wind. Usually all I bag is a GS and let my two gummy Ont Champs sit for now.