Newbie seeking help: Nose up, not bracing, leading shoulder high

[Lumberjack504]

Yep, your weight/balance never leaves the rear foot.

Back to the one-leg drill it is!

 

[eegor]

It might help you to do the "athletic lean" by remembering to finish in front of you or straight at the target instead of falling backward on your follow through. When you "fall backward" you're taking power away from the target line.

I'm no expert, like SW22... but you have to get the mindset of "driving to the target" and not letting any power go in another direction.

 

[eegor]

https://youtu.be/ZG3YXTE2Dx0

Go to the link above and notice how all of them are leaning into their throws and none of them finish falling behind (to the right of the line) on their follow through.

 

[Lumberjack504]

https://youtu.be/ZG3YXTE2Dx0

Go to the link above and notice how all of them are leaning into their throws and none of them finish falling behind (to the right of the line) on their follow through.

Thanks, I definitely see what you mean. The "skateboard kick" backwards is ever present as well. The ladies aren't bad to look at either, for, um, form that is...

 

[Shamis]

https://youtu.be/ZG3YXTE2Dx0

Go to the link above and notice how all of them are leaning into their throws and none of them finish falling behind (to the right of the line) on their follow through.

Paige's form is so good. We should probably all be looking at the top pro ladies since for their size and strength, they are throwing better than most of the men.

 

[Shamis]

Thanks SW. I totally see what you're saying. Just having trouble implementing it in practice. I went out to the field again today for about an hour keeping it in mind, but my body doesn't want to comply. :wall:

I took some footage again today and am seeing more of the same. I know this takes work and time, but I don't want to keep doing the same thing and develop bad habits (if I haven't already done so...).

I'm considering slowing way down and working from the "hit" backwards, so to speak, so I can train my body to get the feel for more proper positions. I can tell I'm still strong-arming, opening too early, rounding, the list goes on...

If anyone cares to see today's footage:

Even on a standstill shot, you need to get that front foot heel off the ground. Watch Sidewinders can crushing videos.

 

[Lumberjack504]

Paige's form is so good. We should probably all be looking at the top pro ladies since for their size and strength, they are throwing better than most of the men.

Just more evidence that I need to stop strong-arming and work on developing a smooth form and proper body positions.

you need to get that front foot heel off the ground. Watch Sidewinders can crushing videos.

BRB, gonna shotgun 2 la croixs

 

[Lumberjack504]

Went out to the field today, trying to reach back straighter on line with the target, and trying to get weight forward. Also tried to involve/rotate the hips more. Not sure if I've made any progress form-wise, but disc flight looked better - straighter, more level/nose down. Distance is about the same.



Am I making any progress or moving backward? I can see I'm still not really bracing or squeezing between the knees, but I was really trying to get my weight more forward than I have been.

Thanks as always fellers

 

[sidewinder22]

Try swinging your shoulder/arm/disc back more under you. Your reachback is a bit high. My disc is almost at my hip or navel at the top of my backswing and then I lower my center of gravity into the plant/weightshift so the swing is level(door frame pt 2).

Your rear foot is spinning out and late to the party, you have both heels on the ground at same time, that should not happen. The rear heel needs to be airborne as your front heel plants and your rear toes/instep should be driving the heel forward/targetward ahead of the toes so the foot everts(your rear heel spins away from the target).

 

[Lumberjack504]

Thanks SW. I agree that the backswing is high - it's one of those "what I'm trying to do vs. what I'm actually doing" things.

What exactly do you mean by "rear foot spinning out"?

you have both heels on the ground at same time, that should not happen

This makes sense.

I'm going to try to push the heel forward using the toes, and lower my swing in the next day or so. Hoping to report back with actual progress next time.

Thanks again for the input.

 

[sidewinder22]

What exactly do you mean by "rear foot spinning out"?

Watch the golf vids about the right foot eversion above(it's our left foot). Your foot spins the opposite direction and unwinds the torque.

 

[Lumberjack504]

So, I watched the videos. Questions about the foot eversion:

1. Is it a conscious twisting against the forward momentum that must take place?

2. Is the result a better brace against the front?

Thanks

 

[sidewinder22]

1. Because "the move" is a foreign feeling to you, you will have to make a conscious effort and even exaggerate it until it becomes second nature(most likely lots and lots of practice, seriously lots). For most people it's like trying to learn to write with your off hand. You pretty much have to learn to balance and make it smooth. The younger you are, the more exponentially faster the learning curve advantage on this you will have and vise versa. Also the newer to the sport - the less ingrained the bad habits are, typically the easier/quicker it is to get it. And also in general the more natural athletic prowess you have or efficiency in other similar sport background motions.

2. Absolutely. Brace. And Space to create a large power pocket/access to swing through your center of gravity as the rear side doesn't come around into the path, but rather clears out behind/forward to counter the arm/disc. It's the only way to properly brace - not just the front, but the rear side as well. It basically pins down or anchors your axis to rotate centered much faster/efficient/powerful from backswing to finish and keeps your body from getting in the way of the swing. If you typically throw on a hyzer plane like Will S or Wiggins you will end up in a big fat wide "X" into the finish - the rear leg goes behind the front leg matching the angle of the spine "\", and the front leg braces and clears "/" the opposite direction in dynamic equilibrium. If you throw more upright the rear leg doesn't slide or end up as far to the right side of the tee since your spine is more upright like McBeth so the "X" is skinny between the legs. You will still see a massive rear foot eversion from McBeth it just goes straighter forward and his rear foot looks like he's superman flying as it turned over completely and the heel is leading the toes. Notably though Ken Jarvis and Wiggins have the biggest rear foot eversion, most braced front foot, and least pelvis turn and both pretty much regarded as the best of the biz in pure distance(current and former record holders), inch for inch or pound for pound.

3. Another thing to note is the position of the rear hip in the pic below. The myth that most people believe is that you have to really fire or spin your rear hip or hips(pelvis) around in rotation during the swing. The evidence clearly shows this to not be true, they are mostly making a forward move(along with a short quick rotation) from the rear hip into a braced front hip and clearing the front hip. The pelvis will eventually square up to the target in the very end of the follow through and sometimes get pulled through toward the target, pulling/pivoting your whole body upright. It feels like the disc's momentum from the release is pulling your center of mass down the line, effortless yet powerful. The femur(the hip) can rotate internally and externally relative to the pelvis without rotating the pelvis. When you do a normal up and down squat your femurs rotate but your pelvis does not. Now think about tilting or angling your rear leg squat forward while keeping your spine balanced through the transition - as the rear leg/foot extends into the plant, the front leg then compresses into the plant as the spine/weight shifts/transfers to it, then extends/clears.

https://vimeo.com/64171158

 

[Lumberjack504]

Wow, that was very thorough and I appreciate the time you took to explain.

I'm starting to see what you're talking about re: the hips not necessarily rotating, but moving forward.

Any specific drills from your channel (I've watched them all) that focus on the foot eversion, or should I just go for it by actively trying to spin the rear foot against the rotation of the swing?

Thanks again

 

[sidewinder22]

Pretty much all of them apply to eversion in one way or another, Hershyzer, Turbo Encabulator and Door Frames probably the most.