SD86
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I think she'll be fine with DD/Trilogy. The Prodigy thing is a different animal, and I'm not giving Prodigy the benefit of the doubt in this whole thing.
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I think she'll be fine with DD/Trilogy. The Prodigy thing is a different animal, and I'm not giving Prodigy the benefit of the doubt in this whole thing.
Hey I don't know the specifics either and am willing to admit such.
My point was that from all outward appearances, Prodigy was still keeping up their end of the contract.
If not, PP would have been able to cut ties sooner.
So it would follow that PP just wasn't happy and then acted unprofessionally (IMO) while waiting out her contract.
My point is that if you want to be treated as a professional and draw respect from outside of our sport, then it all starts with how you handle your business within the sport.
Also my personal experience with her was getting treated badly while spotting at a tournament. She sawed off a shot and was clearly OB. I understand the heat of competition, but what clearly separates great athletes with class, is how they react when they're playing bad.
Hampstead
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Dear internet stranger,
It's okay to have a different opinion. You aren't gonna rustle my Jimmies.
Hope you continue to have fun.
Milk toast regards,
Hampy
It's okay to have a different opinion. You aren't gonna rustle my Jimmies.
Hope you continue to have fun.
Milk toast regards,
Hampy
I agree, just clarifying my side.
Milk-steak boiled over hard.
With a side of jelly beans.
Hampstead
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cjdiscgolf
Par Member
Genius.
What else do you know?
I mean, I said it a month ago.....
I know a lot.
Prodigy flat out lied to their players. They promised salaries and royalties and it blew up. No one buys their discs. So that's why there is this mass exodus.
Of course, they broke rule 1. Amateurs make money. Not anyone's fault but their own that phil Dave and mike are complete idiots and were so mad that innova didn't pay them salaries for years.
Enjoy bankruptcy.
Innova is good to players. They've been bad in the past. They really screwed over a few guys and that's what caused a mass exodus. But that's different.
Discraft is great to their players but really doesn't care about top pros. That's why they don't have a lot big names. Their business model is get local guys to push their product there locally.
Dynamic and trilogy is now in the top tier conversation. They are great to their players. Just need some time because they still upset a lot of people within the industry.
phrumphkin
Par Member
All these milk-based dishes are making me hungry...opcorn:
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phrumphkin
Par Member
Interesting. Do DD & Lat pay players any more than Innova, for example? Or is it basically just win bonuses and some boxes of discs to sell on their own still? It seems like Prodigy, even if they didn't make good on their promises, did make Innova reach into their pockets to make sure they can keep people like McBeth from jumping ship. So maybe this has had a bigger effect on sponsorship terms for the top-tier players?...
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Prodigy certainly brought the Tour Series discs to Innova. They don't have to give those pros boxes of frisbees to sell along the way during the tour, and instead of giving them discs, they get to sell them at profit for both themselves and the pros. Win win for both sides.
Hampstead
* Ace Member *
Innova doesn't seem to want their pros selling discs in the parking lot. At least that's what McBeth said when asked if he had any McPro Aviars for sale.
cjdiscgolf
Par Member
Most contracts are performance based.
But DD / lat really upset a lot of people with the Paige situation this past year.
As I posted a month ago, jerm to innova. He's been throwing innova casually and non sanctioned stuff but even a few weeks ago in south florida he threw prodigy. The ace video proves that.
But these companies are really upsetting a lot of people within the sport.
Paige has lost a lot of crediability and with her actions come DD. That's what I was referring to.
cjdiscgolf
Par Member
Correct. Innova's contract does not allow their players to sell their allotment, bonus discs, etc.
Hands down the worst part of an innova contract. The other companies want their guys to sell.
Innova'a actions really will hurt them in 10 years or so. They have a bunch of older players and mcbeth who don't need to sell. But up and comers, especially touring guys, rely on those out of trunk sales.
Hampstead
* Ace Member *
No doubt. It's frustrating when you'd love to have a Sexton FB and he's not allowed to sell you one.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
As opposed to buying one from the factory store?
lyleoross
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Given the meager evidence, it's hard to know who did what. I don't know that Innova abused anyone. I know they pumped a lot of resources into the sport, clearly with the understanding that would pay off. Discraft has done the same.
I agree with those who surmise that Prodigy's business model was flawed. In a sport, still early in it's growth, going big is risky. Giving ownership to players in a sport that contracts year to year is very risky. However, it isn't clear to me that they dutched their players. I don't know what the contract was, but if it was volume based, their players haven't gotten what they wanted, from the ruminations here. The possiblity exists that they met with their pros and told them it was okay to go looking, given it wasn't paying what they thought it would.
PP is a tough one. Typically, problem athletes are obvious. PP has been nothing but professional until this. Even here, for the most part, she's been professional. Yeah I read the posts about the SB interview and admit I didn't see it. That wasn't bright, but it is a singular event and I'm not gonna condem her for it. DD, by my measure, is the best run operation out there right now. They strike me as very savvy. I'd bet money they thought long and hard about this and I'm gonna bet they make it work.
Along those lines, Prodigy really should take a gander at DDs business model. They did the whole thing really well IMO. Just an FYI. I'm not salivating DD cause I use their plastic. I don't. I especially dislike their naming system. But their management is good, and I can recognize that without using their product.
I agree with those who surmise that Prodigy's business model was flawed. In a sport, still early in it's growth, going big is risky. Giving ownership to players in a sport that contracts year to year is very risky. However, it isn't clear to me that they dutched their players. I don't know what the contract was, but if it was volume based, their players haven't gotten what they wanted, from the ruminations here. The possiblity exists that they met with their pros and told them it was okay to go looking, given it wasn't paying what they thought it would.
PP is a tough one. Typically, problem athletes are obvious. PP has been nothing but professional until this. Even here, for the most part, she's been professional. Yeah I read the posts about the SB interview and admit I didn't see it. That wasn't bright, but it is a singular event and I'm not gonna condem her for it. DD, by my measure, is the best run operation out there right now. They strike me as very savvy. I'd bet money they thought long and hard about this and I'm gonna bet they make it work.
Along those lines, Prodigy really should take a gander at DDs business model. They did the whole thing really well IMO. Just an FYI. I'm not salivating DD cause I use their plastic. I don't. I especially dislike their naming system. But their management is good, and I can recognize that without using their product.
lyleoross
* Ace Member *
No no no! If Sexton has held it in his hot little hands... it's a better disc.
Hampstead
* Ace Member *
When you're standing in the parking lot at the BHMO next to the guy and he tells you he's not allowed to sell you one, it's pretty lame.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Guess your only option at that point is to order one from the factory store.
Hampstead
* Ace Member *
Yup.
cjdiscgolf
Par Member
Incorrect.
I'm not naming names, but there's a former innova player who they failed to meet contract terms with, a current player who got shafted on a major bonus.
But in their defense this was 6-10 years ago when it was just them and discraft. They had to change their shady treatment of players to survive.
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