[Gateway] Gateway Wizard

[Audible Vibration]

Ok I have done a lil research but I wanted to get some quick responses from the 'experts'

S - Suregrip/Soft? But not really soft, its more firm, right?

How do the other compare? I am looking at a couple Wiz's online and not able to "go to a store and feel em up" nor am i able to call and talk right now SO (dont be a debbie downer)

S=Soft, but actually its more firm than the others??
SS= More flexible than S??
SSS= even More Flexible? - Super Stupid Soft? But i heard its more the feel of being velvety and not really Flexible??
4S = Gummy?
RFF= Gumputt??

PWP = ???? help?

SB-30=??????

I've read that suregrip is just the name for baseline plastic, pretty much everything except evo. Your s-sss descriptions sound right from what I've felt. Never felt 4s, but heard it's like rff. Never felt gumbputt, but rff folds like a taco. I've heard PWP described as firm like fossil/g9i, but mine is more like ss with a flat top and lower shoulder. Haven't felt sb30, but all SB is flat with low shoulder, and gateway said 30 is like rff flex.

I'm certainly no expert though, so feel free to correct me on anything.

 

[SD86]

Ok I have done a lil research but I wanted to get some quick responses from the 'experts'

S=Soft, but actually its more firm than the others??
SS= More flexible than S??
SSS= even More Flexible? - Super Stupid Soft?

"Soft" is anything but. Truly abuse of the term.

SS is 'softer', but is very firm. I have two SS Wizards, and if I putted with Wizards (or Warlocks, etc.), SS is what I'd putt with. I like McPro Aviar's firmness and I putt with Classic (hard) Wardens, to give some perspective on that.

SSS and others are more flexible than S and SS.

 

[ThomasOrion]

"Soft" is anything but. Truly abuse of the term.

SS is 'softer', but is very firm. I have two SS Wizards, and if I putted with Wizards (or Warlocks, etc.), SS is what I'd putt with. I like McPro Aviar's firmness and I putt with Classic (hard) Wardens, to give some perspective on that.

SSS and others are more flexible than S and SS.

Yeah I actually HAVE a S Wizard and like that and I have an ORGANIC Magic and its ok, but seems to deform easier, I also have a Lunar Wizard which looks like the SB blends I'm seeing .

I think SS would be good, is SS still firm, flat top, like comparable to like BT hard plastics? I have tons of putters and like them all but Wiz's are just everywhere and cheap and good so i wanted to give them a go, Or warlocks, -------Warlock is less overstable? I want something stable with a lil fade, idk, im just rambling. I just want some gateway in my life

 

[ThomasOrion]

PWP??? Pure White ...? I message Gateway and got a response but it was minimal info. Still dont know what PWP is and how it compares to S or SS

 

[art_vandelay]

Ok I have done a lil research but I wanted to get some quick responses from the 'experts'

S - Suregrip/Soft? But not really soft, its more firm, right?

How do the other compare? I am looking at a couple Wiz's online and not able to "go to a store and feel em up" nor am i able to call and talk right now SO (dont be a debbie downer)

S=Soft, but actually its more firm than the others??
SS= More flexible than S??
SSS= even More Flexible? - Super Stupid Soft? But i heard its more the feel of being velvety and not really Flexible??
4S = Gummy?
RFF= Gumputt??

PWP = ???? help?

SB-30=??????

Don't forget about the Glo Wizards and the Glo$$ Wizards. Another variation to think about. This is what I use because they are really stiff, and just a tic more OS than some other Wizard plastics (at least the ones I have). Dependable upshots all day long.

What kind of a feel are you looking for?

 

[nfrost]

PWP??? Pure White ...? I message Gateway and got a response but it was minimal info. Still dont know what PWP is and how it compares to S or SS

I've seen PWP described as Pure White Plastic and when they first came out as Pure White Prototype

PWP is most similar to soft. Supersoft has more of a velvet feel to the plastic and a more pliable flight plate than soft/pwp white still being fairly stiff. Whereas soft and pwp are pretty stiff and can be a little slicker but still have good grip.

Not sure if that answers all your questions but let me know if you have more...

 

[nfrost]

Yeah I actually HAVE a S Wizard and like that and I have an ORGANIC Magic and its ok, but seems to deform easier, I also have a Lunar Wizard which looks like the SB blends I'm seeing .

I think SS would be good, is SS still firm, flat top, like comparable to like BT hard plastics? I have tons of putters and like them all but Wiz's are just everywhere and cheap and good so i wanted to give them a go, Or warlocks, -------Warlock is less overstable? I want something stable with a lil fade, idk, im just rambling. I just want some gateway in my life

Warlock is like a beadless Aviar and the wizard is similar to the big bead aviar. The nose of the wizard is slightly different than the big bead Aviar but the feel in the hand is very similar.

 

[SD86]

Yeah I actually HAVE a S Wizard and like that and I have an ORGANIC Magic and its ok, but seems to deform easier, I also have a Lunar Wizard which looks like the SB blends I'm seeing .

I think SS would be good, is SS still firm, flat top, like comparable to like BT hard plastics? I have tons of putters and like them all but Wiz's are just everywhere and cheap and good so i wanted to give them a go, Or warlocks, -------Warlock is less overstable? I want something stable with a lil fade, idk, im just rambling. I just want some gateway in my life

A Warlock is to the Wizard what the Warden is to the Judge... beadless equivalents (theoretically, anyway, but I digress).

BT Hard is the same as Classic (hard). My SS Wizards are at least as firm as BTHard, if not more so, fresh out of the box. I was using Wizards for throwing and driving, but didn't throw them enough to get a perspective on how fast they season in. BT Hard/Classic discs (I have Harps, Judges, and Wardens in this plastic) take a good long time (or LOTS of abuse) to season in.

 

[art_vandelay]

A Warlock is to the Wizard what the Warden is to the Judge... beadless equivalents (theoretically, anyway, but I digress).

I thought that's what a Magic was? Any idea?

 

[ODRB]

I've seen PWP described as Pure White Plastic and when they first came out as Pure White Prototype

PWP is most similar to soft. Supersoft has more of a velvet feel to the plastic and a more pliable flight plate than soft/pwp white still being fairly stiff. Whereas soft and pwp are pretty stiff and can be a little slicker but still have good grip.

Not sure if that answers all your questions but let me know if you have more...

Let's get away from PWP, which they aren't making anymore.

PW is "pure white". It is very stiff (I'd say second only to G9i, and much stiffer than Fossil, G25, etc.) and has a bit of a gritty texture.

The PWP was "pure white prototype" except there were firmer and less firm ones. Ones that yellowed with UV exposure. And texture variation from slightly waxy to chalky like the current "PW" blend.

Suregrip plastics (S, SS, SSS, etc.) have more of a velvet feel than PW.

 

[ThomasOrion]

Don't forget about the Glo Wizards and the Glo$$ Wizards. Another variation to think about. This is what I use because they are really stiff, and just a tic more OS than some other Wizard plastics (at least the ones I have). Dependable upshots all day long.

What kind of a feel are you looking for?

I like a solid putter feel, non-flexy flight plate but I like a "fuzzy" velvety feel. I do have an S wiz and its nice, i can see that wearing into a great feel.

I just want to avoid Rock hard/slick like prodigy 350 and Floppy like BT Medium or soft stuff.

I have used TONS of putters and really seem to like gateway plastic for putting the most. I used 300 Pa3s for a while and still have a bunch, it may be one of my more favored ones, currently using BT HARD Dagger and i like it a lot too, i have a wizard but just wanted to get one or two to match my color scheme and wanted to know more about their plastics because its SO dang confusing.

So if S sounds like it, thats cool, if SS is about the same firmness but little 'fuzzier' haha like that soft velvet grip but on a firm flight plate im liking that idea too. idk, just learning more

 

[SD86]

I thought that's what a Magic was? Any idea?

My Magic is more shallow and more understable than my Wizards and (one) Warlock. As an aside, I really like the Magic as an approach disc; it is reminiscent of the proto-Colt.

 

[Three Putt]

The Warlock is a straight-up beadless Aviar copy. It flies like a beefy PnA. Great, great, super-duper underrated putter. Out of the box it's a lot like a Wizard, but it beats in more quickly (duh, no bead... )

Fun fact: The Warlock was announced as an understable compliment to the Wizard and was supposed to be named the Magic. When they molded them, they came out waaayyy more beefy than Gateway expected, but the beadless feel in the hand was cool so they switched gears and put it out as the Warlock.

The Magic when it came out was pretty different. They used that lay-down wing design that the 86 Softie had and put it on a more conventional putter top. It actually starts out a lot less stable than a Wizard, which is what Gateway was going for.

 

[Streets]

Ok I have done a lil research but I wanted to get some quick responses from the 'experts'

S - Suregrip/Soft? But not really soft, its more firm, right?

How do the other compare? I am looking at a couple Wiz's online and not able to "go to a store and feel em up" nor am i able to call and talk right now SO (dont be a debbie downer)

S=Soft, but actually its more firm than the others??
SS= More flexible than S??
SSS= even More Flexible? - Super Stupid Soft? But i heard its more the feel of being velvety and not really Flexible??
4S = Gummy?
RFF= Gumputt??

PWP = ???? help?

SB-30=??????

See? It wasn't that hard.

 

[tbird888]

Dave wrote an article years ago explaining the Wizard. In it he explained that the names of the blends refer to the plastic percentages used to produce the disc. While the names imply flexibility, it's not the case. I've had Mediums that were softer than SSs, SSS firmer than Softs, etc. The one thing that has been about as constant as any mold I've thrown is flight. This is why gateway is so great. You can get whatever you want in terms of texture and flexibility. It's also why trying to describe the blends is a moot point.

While their names mean something completely different from every other manufacturer, you can tell them you want a velvety/chalky/slick texture with a firm/slightly flexy/super pliable flightplate, and you'll get it. You can even mail them your favorite blend of plastic, and they will match it as close as they can. While that seems like a pain, it's great to me that everyone can custom tailor their putter to what they want, and in arguably the best "baseline" plastics on the market.

 

[Streets]

Dave wrote an article years ago explaining the Wizard. In it he explained that the names of the blends refer to the plastic percentages used to produce the disc. While the names imply flexibility, it's not the case. I've had Mediums that were softer than SSs, SSS firmer than Softs, etc. The one thing that has been about as constant as any mold I've thrown is flight. This is why gateway is so great. You can get whatever you want in terms of texture and flexibility. It's also why trying to describe the blends is a moot point.

While their names mean something completely different from every other manufacturer, you can tell them you want a velvety/chalky/slick texture with a firm/slightly flexy/super pliable flightplate, and you'll get it. You can even mail them your favorite blend of plastic, and they will match it as close as they can. While that seems like a pain, it's great to me that everyone can custom tailor their putter to what they want, and in arguably the best "baseline" plastics on the market.

You know with Gateway, if you put in the effort you can get exactly what you want, with minimal work. Other brands, you either have to track down a certain run and probably pay out the butt, or settle for whatever they are currently running.

 

[tbird888]

You know with Gateway, if you put in the effort you can get exactly what you want, with minimal work. Other brands, you either have to track down a certain run and probably pay out the butt, or settle for whatever they are currently running.

And yet people continue to try and isolate characteristics of a blend like it's possible.

 

[art_vandelay]

And yet people continue to try and isolate characteristics of a blend like it's possible.

I know I don't understand why anyone cares. I have at least 50 wizards and I have no idea what the blends are. Just pick the dog gone thing out and throw it!

 

[art_vandelay]

I like a solid putter feel, non-flexy flight plate but I like a "fuzzy" velvety feel. I do have an S wiz and its nice, i can see that wearing into a great feel.

I just want to avoid Rock hard/slick like prodigy 350 and Floppy like BT Medium or soft stuff.

I have used TONS of putters and really seem to like gateway plastic for putting the most. I used 300 Pa3s for a while and still have a bunch, it may be one of my more favored ones, currently using BT HARD Dagger and i like it a lot too, i have a wizard but just wanted to get one or two to match my color scheme and wanted to know more about their plastics because its SO dang confusing.

So if S sounds like it, thats cool, if SS is about the same firmness but little 'fuzzier' haha like that soft velvet grip but on a firm flight plate im liking that idea too. idk, just learning more

I have personally not seen too many wizards that are slick at all. Most of them are tacky and wonderful. It's also hard to find an extremely floppy wiz. I can't remember seeing many or any recently.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

I like a solid putter feel, non-flexy flight plate but I like a "fuzzy" velvety feel. I do have an S wiz and its nice, i can see that wearing into a great feel.

I just want to avoid Rock hard/slick like prodigy 350 and Floppy like BT Medium or soft stuff.

I have used TONS of putters and really seem to like gateway plastic for putting the most. I used 300 Pa3s for a while and still have a bunch, it may be one of my more favored ones, currently using BT HARD Dagger and i like it a lot too, i have a wizard but just wanted to get one or two to match my color scheme and wanted to know more about their plastics because its SO dang confusing.

So if S sounds like it, thats cool, if SS is about the same firmness but little 'fuzzier' haha like that soft velvet grip but on a firm flight plate im liking that idea too. idk, just learning more

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