2023 DGLO

[glassila]

Never have played the course, are the tees for 1 and 18 fairly close?

There are spectators between hole 1 tee and hole 18 fairway so if someone has a good drive on 18 there will be a good amount of cheering. Nobody wants to be in the middle of their tee shot when that happens.

It's about 75 feet from 1 tee pad to the edge of 18 fairway.

 

[foxdawg10]

And the local club has done a TON of work to lenghten, groom and improve what has been a very good amateur level course. I get it that's it's Silver, and Worlds is right behind. But the non-New England Northeast gets bypassed every year.

It looks like most of the top names have dropped from the AFDO, and the ones who are still registered have signed up for mixed doubles and distance / putting contests at World's next weekend so will likely drop also. Bad timing.

 

[Flick Maniac]

Man, I really wanted Eagle to finally get it. He has been top 4 for a long stretch now. I guess that much sweeter if he gets it at Worlds.... But we'll see.

Remind me why (and what it is) this was a "Playoff event"? I've no idea

 

[Spectacledbear]

Its so sick to watch Redalen and Eagle throw, but the course is so boring.

 

[Sewer bill]

Its so sick to watch Redalen and Eagle throw, but the course is so boring.

I feel like it's a tragedy the way cameras can't capture how absolutely ridiculous the shot shapes are on that elevation. It looks big on camera but in person it's drastically different. They should have some 900 rated guys tee off on each hole as the intro shots to contrast just how spectacular these pros are.

 

[Spectacledbear]

The next time these guys come to Norway i have to watch em live.

I hate catch cams with a passion. You get two seconds from the players vantage point ( the point we want to see the throw from ) and then they ruin the angle by switching to catch cam.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Its so sick to watch Redalen and Eagle throw, but the course is so boring.

This can only be said by someone who's never played it.

I feel like it's a tragedy the way cameras can't capture how absolutely ridiculous the shot shapes are on that elevation. It looks big on camera but in person it's drastically different. They should have some 900 rated guys tee off on each hole as the intro shots to contrast just how spectacular these pros are.

Couldn't agree more. As good coverage has gotten, the cameras don't do this course justice (although I'm sure the same can be said about many courses).

They really don't convey the shape required to hit these lines. Nor do they give you a feel for how much elevation players are dealing with. Sooo many holes where you're throwing up or down what amounts to 5 floors worth of elevation.

 

[Skamanda]

This can only be said by someone who's never played it.

Couldn't agree more. As good coverage has gotten, the cameras don't do this course justice (although I'm sure the same can be said about many courses).

They really don't convey the shape required to hit these lines. Nor do they give you a feel for how much elevation players are dealing with. Sooo many holes where you're throwing up or down what amounts to 5 floors worth of elevation.

I've played the old layout, and the new one, and I find the Toboggan kind of boring (the new layout is a lot nicer though). The downhills are fun, the uphills are boring, and the flat holes are often pretty obviously just the best part of land that gets to the next hill. In a lot of ways, the course plays itself.

I kinda liked the idea of 16 playing as an island to change it up and force some more skill into it, but the green is too small for the line you have to throw, to make it better than a luck shot.

It sucks, cuz I really, REALLY like throwing off hills, but it's just...meh? It's a great course to see who's the most physically fit, but other than that it's just a ton of placement shots...

 

[biscoe]

I found it a boring crush-fest in 2000, still seems to be the case. The woods holes they have added look good.

 

[Brychanus]

Definitely appreciate the woods. I think the main thing that keeps me more engaged watching Toboggan than most of the golf courses earlier on tour is that the open holes involve alot of elevation change, so they at least encourage some interesting choices. I think about my amateur game, look at those holes, and then realize the pros are carving up the space for position and taking "shortcuts" and huge lines up and down the terrain or hopping over gulleys that I never could hope to. It's awe-inspiring and I wonder what it looks like to the spectators.

 

[BillFleming]

This can only be said by someone who's never played it.

Couldn't agree more. As good coverage has gotten, the cameras don't do this course justice (although I'm sure the same can be said about many courses).

They really don't convey the shape required to hit these lines. Nor do they give you a feel for how much elevation players are dealing with. Sooo many holes where you're throwing up or down what amounts to 5 floors worth of elevation.

The inability to really see the elevation is just a downfall of a camera's perspective. Big Jerm and Uli have mentioned it at times during practice rounds. Now, what would be really cool, would be for Jomez and the others to add the elevation information to the graphics....something like....
Hole 1, 655 feet, 6 floor elevation drop. And maybe even include what the distance equivalent would be....(made up figure)....equivalent to 435 feet. Now those stats would make up for the camera's lack of perspective on elevation.

 

[Cgkdisc]

The inability to really see the elevation is just a downfall of a camera's perspective. Big Jerm and Uli have mentioned it at times during practice rounds. Now, what would be really cool, would be for Jomez and the others to add the elevation information to the graphics....something like....
Hole 1, 655 feet, 6 floor elevation drop. And maybe even include what the distance equivalent would be....(made up figure)....equivalent to 435 feet. Now those stats would make up for the camera's lack of perspective on elevation.

At minimum, the elevation changes up or down need to be added to the hole graphics and text in the caddy book. Not sure adding effective distances would be easy to determine on a new layout even with expert assessment.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

At minimum, the elevation changes up or down need to be added to the hole graphics and text in the caddy book. Not sure adding effective distances would be easy to determine on a new layout even with expert assessment.

Most of the elevation changes are in the caddy book skamanda linked in post #3 of this thread. About the only thing that's missing is elevation for the newest holes.

Here's a link to the caddy guide: https://dglo.net/course-schedule/guide/2023/Toboggan-Caddy-Guide.pdf?1

 

[Cgkdisc]

Most of the elevation changes are in the caddy book skamanda linked in post #3 of this thread. About the only thing that's missing is elevation for the newest holes.

Ah, I should have checked Toboggan's caddy maps. Up to now, perhaps only a few DGPT caddy maps had elevation indications. I mentioned this missing info to a DGPT staffer at the Preserve. Maybe my suggestion got back to the DGPT graphics team in time for DGLO. I've been calculating effective lengths on DGPT holes to develop design guidelines by viewing the post round videos and eyeballing the elevation changes along with notes from commentators.

 

[BillFleming]

At minimum, the elevation changes up or down need to be added to the hole graphics and text in the caddy book. Not sure adding effective distances would be easy to determine on a new layout even with expert assessment.

Caddy book elevations are nice....but I'm talking about the video graphics. They should be provided there. As for getting effective/adjusted distances, that's pretty easy....I believe Bushnell and other rangefinders give that information.

 

[Cgkdisc]

... As for getting effective/adjusted distances, that's pretty easy....I believe Bushnell and other rangefinders give that information.

A rangefinder cannot calculate effective lengths for disc golf throwing, just horizontal distance and height difference from a direct angle measurement (Pythagorean calcs) which are only slightly different.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

 

[glassila]

The most excited person for both of Heimburg's eagle throw-ins was Kevin Jones! He's running around and jumping up and down. (the last 2 shots of the above video)

(the least excited person is Heimburg himself, he's very casual after both like he just made a 20 foot putt)

 

[Cgkdisc]

The most excited person for both of Heimburg's eagle throw-ins was Kevin Jones! He's running around and jumping up and down. (the last 2 shots of the above video)

(the least excited person is Heimburg himself, he's very casual after both like he just made a 20 foot putt)

Just act like you've been there, done that before.

 

[foxdawg10]

The most excited person for both of Heimburg's eagle throw-ins was Kevin Jones! He's running around and jumping up and down. (the last 2 shots of the above video)

(the least excited person is Heimburg himself, he's very casual after both like he just made a 20 foot putt)

Gotta love the energy Kevin Jones brings to the table!