[Discraft] predator stability

[Hydraulic Jump]

Off the shelf, which one of these predators should be more stable?

174g FLX ESP

or

170g Elite Z?

Thanks and have a great 4th.

 

[Marmoset]

Assuming you meant to say "more overstable" it will be the one with the higher PLH.

 

[racer93]

+1. In my experience, Zs are more overstable than esp or flx.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

Generally Z is more overstable all day in most any discraft disc

The FLX is usually less glidy, and lands softer.

If you ever wonder....I would start with the factory ESP version of any discraft disc...and see how it flies....from there follow the recommendations above

keep in mind....Less domie & tourney stamped discs are generally less stable regardless of the plastic.

 

[discspeed]

keep in mind....Less domie & tourney stamped discs are generally less stable regardless of the plastic.

This is not true. My most stable Predator ever (I've probably thrown 50+ Z Preds over the years) was a blue, flat, tourney stamped Z Pred that was stiff as a board. With the Preds there are no solid rules regarding stability and dome. You must check the PLH.

 

[Plankeye]

PLH?

 

[kcbill]

PLH?

parting line height. the horizontal line running through the disc left from the molding process.


edit - this link is helpful
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13889

 

[Hydraulic Jump]

^^^ i was curious what PLH meant as well.

 

[Craton]

PLH?

Ignore Nate's "domey" comment, and pursue Marmoset's "PLH" one- it's all the rage these days apparently. I won't even begin pretending to explain it, because I'm still learning it myself. It will help you determine how stable/overstable/understable a particular disc is in comparison with other discs of that mold- is THIS predator more overstable than THAT predator, even though they are both the same weight and plastic, etc.

As for the stability of ESP vs. Z- I play quite a bit, and I have yet for either to show themselves to stand out- it's entirely a disc by disc scenario. I usually like to go ESP so I can get some extra grip- if you want a nice big skip at the end of, I'd say go with the Z though.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

This is not true. My most stable Predator ever (I've probably thrown 50+ Z Preds over the years) was a blue, flat, tourney stamped Z Pred that was stiff as a board. With the Preds there are no solid rules regarding stability and dome. You must check the PLH.

used the word GENERALLY....because there is always exceptions to the rule

 

[Craton]

used the word GENERALLY....because there is always exceptions to the rule

The only problem is your "generally" is a flip of the coin, and not a rule to go by. The PLH is unaffected by a tourney stamp disc- which GENERALLY makes a disc flatter, but has NO impact on the PLH- thus not the factor that influences stability.

 

[Marmoset]

read the PLH thread.
All will be explained.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

The only problem is your "generally" is a flip of the coin, and not a rule to go by. The PLH is unaffected by a tourney stamp disc- which GENERALLY makes a disc flatter, but has NO impact on the PLH- thus not the factor that influences stability.

sooooo....you think flat discs are more over stable than domie?...no need to argue such a point....the domieness creates lift and resistance...hence "stbility"

I see your stuck on your one out of fifty argument

 

[Plankeye]

thanks for the info about the PLH

 

[kcbill]

i've got a 167 P PD that has a great dome and is straight and will flip and a 150 P PD that is flat and over stable. i use it in the wind.

it's all parting line.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

Ignore Nate's "domey" comment, and pursue Marmoset's "PLH" one- it's all the rage these days apparently. I won't even begin pretending to explain it, because I'm still learning it myself. It will help you determine how stable/overstable/understable a particular disc is in comparison with other discs of that mold- is THIS predator more overstable than THAT predator, even though they are both the same weight and plastic, etc.

As for the stability of ESP vs. Z- I play quite a bit, and I have yet for either to show themselves to stand out- it's entirely a disc by disc scenario. I usually like to go ESP so I can get some extra grip- if you want a nice big skip at the end of, I'd say go with the Z though.

Domieness has tons to do with stability....but I just know better...so I'll shut up now.

Dome=air resistance
no dome= NO air resistance

Ignore the facts...????

We aren't talking about flicks and pulses....flat...overstable discs....or exemptions to the rule I am implying

 

[Craton]

sooooo....you think flat discs are more over stable than domie?...no need to argue such a point....the domieness creates lift and resistance...hence "stbility"

I see your stuck on your one out of fifty argument

Freaking read the PLH thread, man. I started a thread on my own about flat/domey discs and as it turns out, domey= all across the board.

PLH is the current method for determining stability. I'm sorry to lose my patience, but I swear you don't even read what other people are posting. Just go read that thread that's like two above ours, and see what we're talking about.

Seriously- just open your mind and go learn something, and stop thinking you have to defend yourself every time you might be wrong.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

Freaking read the PLH thread, man. I started a thread on my own about flat/domey discs and as it turns out, they are all across the board.

PLH is the current method for determining stability. I'm sorry to lose my patience, but I swear you don't even read what other people are posting. Just go read that thread that's like two above ours, and see what we're talking about.

It's amazing how often I will pick up a buddies disc...I say"dang this thing is domie...it must be overstable to a flat one"...buddy replies...."yeah...I carry two...one for stability and the other for turn overs"

This happens all the time, as I anticipate using it as a gauge when buying discs...as it works better than trying to eyeball the differences in PLH.

PLH is true(according to the forum discussion)....but I seen examples of putters....not drivers(which would be far more difficult to determine because there is a little edge to compare the PLH)....

Maybe were both right....that is why I use the word generally...as in...."DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERYTHING"

 

[sillybizz]

I've found the ESP and FLX ones to be more overstable than the Z ones off the shelf.

 

[racer93]

Domieness has tons to do with stability....but I just know better...so I'll shut up now.

Dome=air resistance
no dome= NO air resistance

Ignore the facts...????

My domey E*Destroyer is a meathook vs a flat, flippy star destroyer. Explain that one.