[Innova] INNOVA Naming mistakes/mold change without a name change

[elnino]

Okay so i would like to make a master list of the mold change/ones that haven't changed or got new name. and that way we can find/create a history of mold changes and try to make a list full of info...i'll update this list daily if people contribute.

First the Bad---correct me at anytime and i'll update the list at the top with info
Eagle X and L but no way to tell from stamps
Boss pro/r pro different mold than champ star xg
Roc R plus, ontario, SM, Rancho, 11x, 10x, 8x
Beast old mold new mold
Aviar way too many molds/types to have the same name
Firebirds- 11x to 12x def changed it
Starfire- i think pro starfires made a big fu nad went L mold
Teerex- X, and i think it may have had about 3 molds at least
teebird-11x, L mold for TL, 12x
FL see firebird or pro firebird newer ones are fl
SL see starfire the pro change
TL see teebird, CE teebirds are tls sometimes
Whippet has X mold too right?
teebird plus groan!
Rhyno i hear there are two molds of this but don't know if it changed
Gator with and without bead right
Classic Roc it is named roc so confusing to people

The good molds-one name one mold
xcaliber
Destroyer
Groove hahahaha
Katana
Monarch
Sidewinder
Valkyrie
Orc
Monster
Max
Viking
Rdrunner
Archangel...is there another mold of this
Dragon
Banshee
Gazelle
Cheetah
Leopard
Cobra
Stingray
Viper
Spider
Cro
Skeeter
Mako
Panther
Kite
Shark
Pig
Hydra
Aero
Dart

 

[solomon.trenton]

the dart is the gremlin, just renamed

 

[jrawk]

Star Destroyers between 165 and 169 grams have different blend star plastic that drastically increases stability. I'd personally be inclined to name them Destroyer-X's.

 

[gcr_russell]

the dart is the gremlin, just renamed

I thought the Dart was a retooled Goblin?

 

[agent_peebody]

definitely NOT a gremlin

 

[solomon.trenton]

I thought the Dart was a retooled Goblin?

thats it. i always mix up those names

 

[rusch_bag]

There is a monster x and l.

 

[Marmoset]

Gazelle
Cheetah
Cobra
Stingray

all of these have multiple molds.

 

[eegor]

Star Destroyers between 165 and 169 grams have different blend star plastic that drastically increases stability. I'd personally be inclined to name them Destroyer-X's.

I have one of the 168gm star Destroyers and also a 175gm...

The 168gm has a big domed flight plate and is severely overstable.

The 175gm has a flat flight plate and is not nearly as overstable.

I can't tell any difference in the feel of the plastic.

 

[garublador]

Firebirds- 11x to 12x def changed it

Is that confirmed or just speculation? The Firebird and FL are definitely different, but has anyone actually confirmed different FB molds?

Starfire- i think pro starfires made a big fu nad went L mold

AFAIK there has been three Starfire molds. The original CRF only, the Starfire-X and the SL. I thought it was the other way with the Pro's also. They started out SL's and went to Starfire-X's.

teebird-11x, L mold for TL, 12x

Has it been confirmed that there's more than the TB and TL? I know the engraving has changed but did the mold shape change or did they just replace part of it with a newer piece that has different engraving but the same shape?

 

[gcr_russell]

My understanding with 11x and 12x firebirds is that there was no mold change but thE plastic itself was slightly different. For some reason or other it didn't come out as flat and overstable, but it was the plastic itself, as opposed to the mold.

 

[Apothecary]

Star Destroyers between 165 and 169 grams have different blend star plastic that drastically increases stability. I'd personally be inclined to name them Destroyer-X's.

+1

the most recent line of champ beasts is a LOT more overstable than previous runs as well.

 

[eegor]

My understanding with 11x and 12x firebirds is that there was no mold change but thE plastic itself was slightly different. For some reason or other it didn't come out as flat and overstable, but it was the plastic itself, as opposed to the mold.

Agreed. I don't know the reason for it, but the 11X has a flat flight plate, whereas the 12X has a noticeable dome.

 

[tbird888]

If I'm not mistaken, the original TeeBird mold was the modern day TL.

With what we currently know as the TeeBird, you have two different wings (that I don't think are truly different aside from the tooling), the 'I'nnova CA tooled (11X KC Pro, later 11X, and 12X) and the 'l'nnova CAL (CE, 9 & 10X KC Pro, and early 11X). TLs also have this wing tooling variation, but I'm not sure what runs comprised each wing. There is also the TeeBird+ which unfortunately is part of the same family despite being completely different as well.

That's about all I know. If there's anything I missed or have wrong, please correct me.

 

[optidiscic]

(I nominate this thread for best concept and best thread ever)

A few questions re Innova

With the different plastics does Innova tinker with the mold to attempt to keep the flight characteristics or does the plastic cool differently and cause variations in the mold...I just tend to notice subtle differences in molds across plastics.

The 11x firebird is not as beefy as the 12 x? Is there a way to flatten a 12x firebird?

 

[gcr_russell]

The 11x is the beefier Firebird mold. It just has to do with the plastic, the way it cools and sets primarily. Dave Dunipace has said recently in the "Ask Dave Dunipace" thread on the PDGA boards that the current runs of Firebirds are back to being a lot beefier and flatter more similar to the 11x, due to a better run of plastic. He is unsure, however, of when they will be making it to various retailers, so there may be future issues of distinguishing between the new beefier and less beefy Firebirds.

 

[McLeod]

New Panthers have more dome. Also, some say "midrange" and others say "multi-puropse".

 

[solomon.trenton]

the newer ones say mid range i believe

 

[elnino]

Okay so i would like to make a master list of the mold change/ones that haven't changed or got new name. and that way we can find/create a history of mold changes and try to make a list full of info...i'll update this list daily if people contribute.

First the Bad---correct me at anytime and i'll update the list at the top with info
Eagle X and L but no way to tell from stamps
Boss pro/r pro different mold than champ star xg
Roc R plus, ontario, SM, Rancho, 11x, 10x, 8x
Beast old mold new mold
Aviar way too many molds/types to have the same name
Firebirds- okay the plastic made the disc mold up different but now the tooling on the firebirds(ie asian opens are different) www.com now
Starfire- i think pro starfires made a big fu nad went L mold
Teerex- X, and i think it may have had about 3 molds at least
teebird-With what we currently know as the TeeBird, you have two different wings (that I don't think are truly different aside from the tooling), the 'I'nnova CA tooled (11X KC Pro, later 11X, and 12X) and the 'l'nnova CAL (CE, 9 & 10X KC Pro, and early 11X). TLs also have this wing tooling variation, but I'm not sure what runs comprised each wing. There is also the TeeBird+ which unfortunately is part of the same family despite being completely different as well.
FL see firebird or pro firebird newer ones are fl
SL see starfire the pro change
TL see teebird, CE teebirds are tls sometimes
Whippet has X mold too right?
teebird plus groan!
Rhyno i hear there are two molds of this but don't know if it changed
Gator with and without bead right
Classic Roc it is named roc so confusing to people
Monster There is a monster x and l.
Gazelle
Cheetah
Cobra
Stingray

The good molds-one name one mold
xcaliber
Destroyer molds up different but
Groove hahahaha
Katana
Monarch
Sidewinder
Valkyrie
Orc
Max
Viking
Rdrunner
Archangel...is there another mold of this
Dragon
Banshee
Leopard
Viper
Spider
Cro
Skeeter
Mako
Panther
Kite
Shark
Pig
Hydra
Aero
Dart- retooled goblin but they changed the name so it is okay.

 

[agent_peebody]

are pearly orcs the same mold as normal ones? they sure as hell fly better