Dretzka and Brown Deer are P2P starting this year, as well.
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If this really is the case and these numbers can be proven accurate, I'd understand the gripe. Even with labor costs, there should be something visibily different than just a few tree trimmings and grass clippings. But again, I'd like to see the numbers, not just guessing by what the tag pass number on someone's bag is, because a 2,000 tag might not mean 2,000 tags were sold.
You could do an open records request to see where the money is going. There's a decent chunk likely going for the ranger just to drive around & collect the fees.
If this really is the case and these numbers can be proven accurate, I'd understand the gripe. Even with labor costs, there should be something visibily different than just a few tree trimmings and grass clippings. But again, I'd like to see the numbers, not just guessing by what the tag pass number on someone's bag is, because a 2,000 tag might not mean 2,000 tags were sold.
Yes, total revenue from 2013 was approximately $80,000 (a little less actually), but you are over-simplifying this.
At Hiestand Park...Does that ranger also keep non disc golfers off the course? I think that would be my biggest complaint about a pay to play course in a multi-use public park. If I have to pay to play a course, then I don't want to have to deal with the guy running up and down hills getting his workout on, or the people walking their dogs thru the woods, or the family that thought it would be a good idea to have a picnic right next to a basket.
Elver has a couple holes that run directly across a very well-used hill. Runners, hikers, general meandering. When I was there, we had to wait quite a while just for the hill to clear enough to be able to throw across it. Seems very odd for a P2P course.
Capital Springs going in today by 4pm according to a trusted source.
Get your wallets out, suckers!
(Full disclosure, I love P2P when it's enforced).
That is awesome.
Here is another request of mine.
I want to see a consortium of disc golf park managers. The city, the county, and whoever is in charge of Marshall should communicate with another and plan.
There should be one course per year that is chosen to stay open through the winter, or there should be a winter course set up. I see no reason why Cap Springs can't be open sooner than the rest, since it is newer and I don't see any concerns for erosion, etc. out there.
I'd like to see 1. the consortium, and 2. the course managers working together to deliver winter/spring disc golf for the community. Rotate through the available courses (with modifications as necessary, i.e. no Marshall 1-4 in spring when it's all water) or create winter courses that stay up all winter and into spring. I've heard there's been talk of doing this by taking over a golf course -- I'd like to see this talk become reality.
More communication, more involvement of rangers, a consortium, and some winter disc golf for the community: add that to my list of wishes.
#2 and #3... many a disagreement over the years about right of way on 2 and 3. You have to bite the bullet there and be patient. I didn't make it to Elver last year, but I hear #9 has been reworked to make it less blind off the tee... Anybody know anything about reworking 2 and 3?
I already said I'm not against P2P if things actually happen. I mean... how hard is it to put in an order for new baskets and some benches? Even if you buy $1,000 benches and $500 baskets... between the two courses that's only $36,000 for a bench on every hole at each course and $18,000 for new baskets on every hole at each course. That's only $54,000 of $160,000 that has been actually generated in the past two years. It's been TWO years. How hard is it to place an order for some benches and baskets and walk out onto the course and slide a new basket into the hole and put the lock on it? All I'm saying is... if you are going to start charging money, I want to see some results. It's been two years, that's plenty of enough time to accumulate funds and get something of substance going. The really should only be working one year behind. $80,000 brought in during summer 2013, $80,000 of improvements completed in 2014. $80,000 brought in during summer 2014, I expect $80,000 of improvements done in 2015. Subtract out whatever you want for labor or miscellaneous costs.. but either way whoever is in charge sucks at planning or executing.