[Other] OS = "training wheels."

[krooster]

Some people throw overstable discs that they don't have the armspeed for, because it's what the pros are throwing. Others do it because it masks their off axis torque.

On some courses/holes it might not even matter that much. But it's just going to be a disadvantage on any technical hole.

 

[ILUVSMGS18]

On some courses/holes it might not even matter that much. But it's just going to be a disadvantage on any technical hole.

So throwing a flex FH with a Stego on a technical hole that is very tight as it is the only real way (besides a even sketchier roller route) would be a disadvantage?

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=3637&mode=media#

Hole 4 (really Hole 3, but need to update pics and remove the old ones to reflect hole removal and modification as the current pics are from 2011). The hole is a little more open but not much more than the pic, basket is down the tunnel and to the right about 25'.

 

[krooster]

So throwing a flex FH with a Stego on a technical hole that is very tight as it is the only real way (besides a even sketchier roller route) would be a disadvantage?

I'll fix my comment for you: It would be a disadvantage on a lot of technical holes.

 

[dysmike]

So throwing a flex FH with a Stego on a technical hole that is very tight as it is the only real way (besides a even sketchier roller route) would be a disadvantage?

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=3637&mode=media#

Hole 4 (really Hole 3, but need to update pics and remove the old ones to reflect hole removal and modification as the current pics are from 2011). The hole is a little more open but not much more than the pic, basket is down the tunnel and to the right about 25'.

I don't think that's what he's talking about. Throwing an over-stable disc really can simply mask form issues, in a way that under-stable discs do not.

No one is arguing that OS discs are not useful, or are not great to have in the bag. My view is simply that I see far too many people complain that they need more and more stable discs. Let's face it, if you're telling someone that you need a Nuke OS because other discs turn over, and you're throwing 250'.. it's a crutch.

 

[Hampstead]

The beauty of this fun little activity is that there is no one way to do it. Throw your discs how you see fit.



The ugly side of this fun little activity would be all the "experts" who long to tell everyone else they're doing it wrong.



Do your thing, just don't let your thing touch mine.

 

[mark996]

When I started I wanted to crank on a Destroyer and be awesome! But after a few years of playing I learned to throw my bag and play my game. I found it much more enjoyable to be able to finesse a slower, less OS disc for me, personally. I enjoy the game more that way. Again, personally there's nothing more awesome then watching a disc hyzer flip and just go, and I'll probably never have the arm speed or will to throw a Destroyer on that line unless it's beat to hell.

 

[dysmike]

The ugly side of this fun little activity would be all the "experts" who long to tell everyone else they're doing it wrong.

I never offer advice, it's not worth it. Let them enjoy, but it's limiting. If I'm asked, I'll happily help.

 

[aphilso1]

Do your thing, just don't let your thing touch mine.

Well that escalated quickly.

 

[Monkeypaws]

People often sing praises of the Comet to "clean up your form." Well, pure athleticism and OS plastic can make pretty good disc golfers out of the unwashed masses out there, form be damned.

I totally get the bitter old man's pov: a. he's old; b. he's bitter; c. his best years were spent throwing frisbees or understable stuff.

Can't recapture youth or optimism....

 

[Docxen]

As an older man with arthritis, I am filled with envy when I see a young guy throw an overstable disc a hundred feet farther than the best throw I've ever had. I love my understable drivers because that is all I can throw for any distance at all. I play a finesse game because it's my only option. However, I also love my Triple x, Spark and Bard. Discs are like golf clubs to me. You need a lob wedge, or understable putter, no matter how far you drive. And you need to be able to hit a high soft fade as well as a low draw.

yea we need more clubs to cater to people who for reasons just won't be able to play great but love the game ...although i would love to see a thread for work arounds

 

[Docxen]

I never offer advice, it's not worth it. Let them enjoy, but it's limiting. If I'm asked, I'll happily help.

ok i'm asking for advice ...i'm getting more confused lol...I"ve been playing since last july and play left handed due to a bad shoulder. Couple of other problems from working in a factory for 20+ years makes me have a super low arm speed. Would my understable discs not turn and fly about the same as someone throwing a fast overstable disc? or should i try to throw more overstable. When do you take off the training wheels? i still can't shape my shots very well even with us discs.

 

[McCready]

I guess I can see how an OS disc would compensate for bad form but that was never a consideration for me even when I was starting out. I've always wanted to carry the full range of speeds & stabilities for any situation. Overstable discs are useless on many holes I play regularly. I tend to rely on them more for upshots, for a spike hyzer to stick by the basket or to get around obstacles.

 

[MANBURGARLAR]

Whatever gets you parked near the basket every time, use it. That's what I love about Disc golf is how unconventional you can be while still having success. I love finding lines that "aren't there" and making it work.

Starting out with understable / stable discs and learning how the physics of flight works is a great tool to have. Once you get the swing of things, it's fun to dabble into the realm of OS utility discs. They can really save your bacon in scramble situations or a very particular hole.

Pros and cons to both stability spectrums. Disc selection and knowledge is a big factor.

 

[dysmike]

ok i'm asking for advice ...i'm getting more confused lol...I"ve been playing since last july and play left handed due to a bad shoulder. Couple of other problems from working in a factory for 20+ years makes me have a super low arm speed. Would my understable discs not turn and fly about the same as someone throwing a fast overstable disc? or should i try to throw more overstable. When do you take off the training wheels? i still can't shape my shots very well even with us discs.

Ok, I injured myself not that long ago and ended up throwing left handed while I recovered. Here's what I found.. Since I was not getting the same arm speed I threw less stable discs.

Discs all had more 'stability' than they did right handed. So I was throwing a leopard where I'd normally throw a tee bird, or a brinster bird where I'd normally throw a firebird. So yes, you will get a similar flight path than you would at full speed with a faster overstable disc in my experience.

Additionally, since I had significantly less control at first, I found that if I slowed down, did no run up, and concentrated on form my discs flew considerably farther. With far less effort.

When I started getting the flight path I wanted, I'd move to a faster/more stable disc. I hope that made sense, it's been a long day.

 

[PMantle]

Definitely a crutch, but I really only see this with the forehand only guys. I almost never see backhanders with too OS of discs. I see the opposite a lot. The wind comes up, and these guys have no answer.

 

[Docxen]

Ok, I injured myself not that long ago and ended up throwing left handed while I recovered. Here's what I found.. Since I was not getting the same arm speed I threw less stable discs.

Discs all had more 'stability' than they did right handed. So I was throwing a leopard where I'd normally throw a tee bird, or a brinster bird where I'd normally throw a firebird. So yes, you will get a similar flight path than you would at full speed with a faster overstable disc in my experience.

Additionally, since I had significantly less control at first, I found that if I slowed down, did no run up, and concentrated on form my discs flew considerably farther. With far less effort.

When I started getting the flight path I wanted, I'd move to a faster/more stable disc. I hope that made sense, it's been a long day.

yup thanks dude i get the long day have been having a lot of them

 

[zenbot]

Played a round today with an older guy - he was pretty good in all three zones, just nice controlled form. The fastest disc he threw was a Beast, but most of his discs were under-stable.

I asked him about it, and he did drop a rant about today's OS discs: called em "training wheels" for all the "big armed apes" that throw hard.

I laughed, but wondered later if there was any truth therein.

Discuss....

OS discs are more like Viagra and not training wheels.

 

[Bogey B.O.B.]

OS discs are more like Viagra and not training wheels.

As in bigger drives or harder to throw?

 

[Dingus]

As in bigger drives or harder to throw?

More Cubby aces?

 

[DanJon]

OS discs are more like Viagra and not training wheels.

As in bigger drives or harder to throw?

Really old guys should be careful when using them or it could lead to serious health issues.