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You missed reading the next line:Well, this far into this thread and I finally actually read the rule.
The tee order for the first playoff hole is random. Nobody is picking their position. If you get randomly picked to tee off first then it's your box. You don't get to defer if you don't want to be first up.
Since the players are tied for first place at the end of the tournament it seems a random tee order is probably pretty fair.
From the official rules in case others in this discussion also haven't read it-
"The specific order in which players tee off for sudden-death play shall be determined by random draw (e.g., numbered playing cards, selecting tee positions from a hat, etc.)."
Well, this far into this thread and I finally actually read the rule.
The tee order for the first playoff hole is random. Nobody is picking their position. If you get randomly picked to tee off first then it's your box. You don't get to defer if you don't want to be first up.
Since the players are tied for first place at the end of the tournament it seems a random tee order is probably pretty fair.
From the official rules in case others in this discussion also haven't read it-
"The specific order in which players tee off for sudden-death play shall be determined by random draw (e.g., numbered playing cards, selecting tee positions from a hat, etc.)."
After reading your post, I thought....I read the rule and thought I understood it. Then I realized I was reading/interpreting it based on the previous comments. The rule doesn't allow either player to choose who goes first. The 'draw' chooses who goes first....whether it is a coin flip or the lowest/highest card or shortest/longest straw....whatever is chosen as the "winner" goes first. It's not like the NFL where the winner chooses their option.
On a slightly different topic, I wish the rules would allow "ready golf" like the USGA allows. It would speed things up. 400 foot hole...player with honors can easily reach there and is waiting for the green to clear. The "BOB" player only throws 200ish feet...has to wait their turn. There should be an option for that player to go ahead and throw since the hole is clear for them. It would speed things up a bit.
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On a slightly different topic, I wish the rules would allow "ready golf" like the USGA allows. It would speed things up. 400 foot hole...player with honors can easily reach there and is waiting for the green to clear. The "BOB" player only throws 200ish feet...has to wait their turn. There should be an option for that player to go ahead and throw since the hole is clear for them. It would speed things up a bit.
802.02 Order of Play
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E. To facilitate flow of play, a player who is not next may throw if the player who is next consents, or if throwing will not impact the player who is next.
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3. In the case of a tied hole during sudden-death play, the teeing order for the next hole will rotate from the order used on the just completed hole.
So, whoever tees on the first playoff hole, does not tee off first on the next hole when still tied. So the tee order continues to rotate during a 2-person playoff. Of course, this brings up the question on how this rotating works when there are three or more in a playoff? Comp Committee have an answer?
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This and other rules discussions shows one thing.....players may know the "common" rules, but the ones that are rarely used are also rarely "remembered" accurately. I bought two of the new rule books so one will always be in my bag and I'll carry the other one when I'm a volunteer at a tournament. I can't make rules decisions (unless a TD designates me as that), but I can let players look up a rule in my book (easier that using a phone to look up rules).
aren't players supposed to have a copy of the rules with them?
I don't think there is a requirement for a physical copy.
1.12.D of the Competition Manual requires Tournament Officials to carry the rules (tournament/course, PDGA rules, Competition Manual).
Not seeing yet a requirement for players to carry a copy of the rules - but I'm looking.
Maybe it was just something I read as a "recommendation" when I was getting started.
All players must abide by the Official Rules of Disc Golf and the Competition Manual.
On a slightly different topic, I wish the rules would allow "ready golf" like the USGA allows. It would speed things up. 400 foot hole...player with honors can easily reach there and is waiting for the green to clear. The "BOB" player only throws 200ish feet...has to wait their turn. There should be an option for that player to go ahead and throw since the hole is clear for them. It would speed things up a bit.
Not sure what sort of sanctioned event you're playing in where people on the same card have that much separation in distance off the tee. Either the guy throwing 400' or the guy throwing 200' probably belongs in a different division.
No. I read the next section and realize that the tee order keeps rotating until someone wins. That makes sense.
It's just that before I actually read the rules the OP had me confused into thinking someone would "win" the drawing/coin toss/whatever and get to decide if they wanted the box to start the playoffs or not.
First playoff hole tee order is determined randomly and the order rotates until someone wins.
I would assume once the order is established for the first hole then whoever had the box just moves to the back for each additional hole played so that the tee order rotates.
Since it was only two of us in the playoff, we chose the coin flip option after calling the TD (he was at the other course of the event) and getting it OK'ed. IIRC he did say we were going to be allowed to choose who went first (winner of coin[disc] toss). That being said it was immaterial, since I won and wanted to go first on hole #1. If that's not technically correct, I'm looking for correction on THIS scenario -- not ones other than this.