The entirety of this situation is going to boil down to, "in what scenarios do the 2 meters for relief from barbed wire apply? it is a real situation from this past Saturday.
(see attached photos -- I don't have a url to embed them from)
Playing Heritage Park in Flower Mound , hole #14. As you can see from the map, hole 14 is a semi-wooded, short, hook hyzer, and a very frustrating one because you feel it's a must birdie, but even for those throwing over the top, there is an incline (that you don't see) about 5-7 feet past the basket such that anything just the tiny bit too hot is going to roll away to outside C1. And the pic was taken in winter time, so it is much more green, luscious, and grown-in tighter as the hole goes along than the pic implies. Whichever route option you take is a careful one.
The Player who threw first came to his disc (indigo blue) and he is about 4-5 feet in the brush, abut 38-40 feet from the basket. As he comes to his lie he finds the remnants of an old barbed wire fence (red), about 3-4 feet high. Straddling left or right and he is absolutely blocked by woods, but if he stays straight on with a traditional staggered stance the barbed wire is actually right on him and interfering with some very sensitive, shall we say, parts of the body, BUT he has a tiny spot of less brush where he might be able to power a putt through. The barbed wire makes all thoughts of a jump or step putt leave his mind.
Since the TD gave the standard "there is a 2 meters of relief allowed for barbed wire" in the player meeting and/or rules sheet, this is where our discussion began. With 2 meters of relief to the left (orange) he is absolutely clear of the woods and has a clean look; 2 meters to the right (orange) and he is on the edge, but the woods are still thick in front of him to the basket. And EVERYTHING I've pointed out above is inbounds.
So I am adding a poll to see how it goes? Do you think it is a) 2 meters relief from the barbed wire (for player safety) in any direction, b) 2 meters of relief from the barbed wire (for player safety) only perpendicular left or right (orange); c) only "free" relief is away from the basket on the line of play until he is first clear of the barbed wire (like casual relief); d) no relief for "free;" only penalty-assessed options available.
(see attached photos -- I don't have a url to embed them from)
Playing Heritage Park in Flower Mound , hole #14. As you can see from the map, hole 14 is a semi-wooded, short, hook hyzer, and a very frustrating one because you feel it's a must birdie, but even for those throwing over the top, there is an incline (that you don't see) about 5-7 feet past the basket such that anything just the tiny bit too hot is going to roll away to outside C1. And the pic was taken in winter time, so it is much more green, luscious, and grown-in tighter as the hole goes along than the pic implies. Whichever route option you take is a careful one.
The Player who threw first came to his disc (indigo blue) and he is about 4-5 feet in the brush, abut 38-40 feet from the basket. As he comes to his lie he finds the remnants of an old barbed wire fence (red), about 3-4 feet high. Straddling left or right and he is absolutely blocked by woods, but if he stays straight on with a traditional staggered stance the barbed wire is actually right on him and interfering with some very sensitive, shall we say, parts of the body, BUT he has a tiny spot of less brush where he might be able to power a putt through. The barbed wire makes all thoughts of a jump or step putt leave his mind.
Since the TD gave the standard "there is a 2 meters of relief allowed for barbed wire" in the player meeting and/or rules sheet, this is where our discussion began. With 2 meters of relief to the left (orange) he is absolutely clear of the woods and has a clean look; 2 meters to the right (orange) and he is on the edge, but the woods are still thick in front of him to the basket. And EVERYTHING I've pointed out above is inbounds.
So I am adding a poll to see how it goes? Do you think it is a) 2 meters relief from the barbed wire (for player safety) in any direction, b) 2 meters of relief from the barbed wire (for player safety) only perpendicular left or right (orange); c) only "free" relief is away from the basket on the line of play until he is first clear of the barbed wire (like casual relief); d) no relief for "free;" only penalty-assessed options available.