Yeah it's kind of a shame with Lightning, doesn't seem like they are even in production anymore, the last thing they did was try to switch out the older base plastic for that DOW high test stuff (looked like a swirled cross between pro and the r-pro blend used for the hydra/wahoo) and they put out that MX-1, which from reviews flew like a flippy wraith/archon type disc and in that plastic could float up 169g which would make it much more useful to the average player than a Wahoo or their other float drivers. Wish one of the other companies could buy them out or get a deal like DGA or Millenium has and maybe keep like 8-10 of the best molds and run them in better plastic, as the Upshot 2, hookshot 2, driver 1, flyer 3, helix 2, hyzer 2 (unless you buy Scandinavian or buy expensive factory store runs this is still your cheapest option for a whippet/viper type disc), and the number 2 roller (curious if the poster who said this rolled like a brick used this one, one is more like a understable stingray type for backhand rollers, this is the one that you can get up to 200 grams and was a favorite of older pros for flick and thumb rollers) ran in some better plastics could really help one of these newer companies either fill in or complement an empty flight chart.