Smyith1
Birdie Member
Im not happy with my midranges. let me give a lil background first. Started throwing the Roc back in 2001, DX only. Got a Hawkeye at a tournament and used that in combo with the Roc for many years before that roc reached the flippiness of the hawkeye. then i went out and got a 11x roc and played with those two for a few years. Then in 2006-7 i picked be a SB and a star USDGC Rancho Roc. so up until late 2009 my bag consisted of 1 dx, 1 kc pro, 1 SB, and 1 Star. all the while i was never really with the height they required for distance. then my dx cracked, my kc pro got chewed up by the new puppy and i lost a few of the ones that were being beaten up for insta replace. i got mad when i had to start all over again and decided to switch my straight and turnover midranges all together.
so in spring 2010, i tried the fuse, i had too many grip lock issues and trouble controlling that ultra glide. picked up an X buzzz shortly after and loved it right away. only beef was with its lack of stability in the wind. but i picked up other plastics that 'solved' that. and they quickly pushed the rancho out all together. anywho, i played with the buzzzs up until early june. then i noticed that i had developed a crucial gap in my game. my accurate woods 240-280 shots were lacking. i couldnt get the buzzz's to really do what i want. and the wind problem was making me especially frustrated. i picked up a cryztal Z that was very overstable but lacked that true buzzz quality. i figured id throw an ontario roc i had gotten from a tournament in there and see what would happen. my mid 200 shots quickly improved and i added a bubble top rancho from 2005 in there.
well i was happy for a short while. until my hand started to get "confused" between the two discs. i was trying to throw roc shots with the buzz and buzz shots with the roc. i tried to work through it but everytime i thought i was making progress id start with the confusion mid round again. so i decided to just go with the roc since it was more consistent in the wind and there are alot of holes in that mid 200s range.
so now to my problem. i miss the faster midrange like the buzzz. i cant get the roc to 300ft with out giving it considerable airtime. the buzz i could run low lines with ease out to 300. heck the buzzz took over the majority of the leopard shots. so i dont want to deal with the lack of wind stability in a buzzz and i refuse to go hunt for the first runs. i would prefer to stay with DX/D and X/Pro style plastic as my release consistency is much higher with these plastics. so i found some ProD Wasps 175-176g, figuring that its supposed to be a more stable than the buzzz and better in the wind. took them out to the field yesterday and the things are flippier than hell. i thought that maybe i was torquing or OATing the shit out of them. so i grabbed some beat up rocs and buzzzs to make sure i wasnt just being dumb. i had no issues with those, i could get beat ones to run straighter more stable lines than a brand new wasp. i eventually figured out how to get it to go the way i wanted it to. basically i pretend i was throwing a understable putter on a hyzer line (slow and alot of hyzer on the release). then the 3 of them started to fly straight and stable. so im a bit baffled. it never takes me that much effort to learn the basics of a disc, especially one that is supposed to be so similar to what ive thrown for years.
so i have two questions i could use help on:
1). Am i just an idiot and need to spend more time in the field? i play alot of midrange only rounds so its not like i dont get to throw them often. or should i try to make the Roc and Buzzz work?
2). Any other midrange options? Criteria: heavily prefer dx/d and pro/X type plastic, able to hold straight to overstable lines in the wind, and capable of 300ft on low flying lines (so it needs glide). Im thinking of trying the sentinel MF and warrior. id be down with the hornet but it only comes in Z, id love it in X or D and i have an ESP. or if they still made the storm id be even happier.
thanks for any ideas and for taking the time.
so in spring 2010, i tried the fuse, i had too many grip lock issues and trouble controlling that ultra glide. picked up an X buzzz shortly after and loved it right away. only beef was with its lack of stability in the wind. but i picked up other plastics that 'solved' that. and they quickly pushed the rancho out all together. anywho, i played with the buzzzs up until early june. then i noticed that i had developed a crucial gap in my game. my accurate woods 240-280 shots were lacking. i couldnt get the buzzz's to really do what i want. and the wind problem was making me especially frustrated. i picked up a cryztal Z that was very overstable but lacked that true buzzz quality. i figured id throw an ontario roc i had gotten from a tournament in there and see what would happen. my mid 200 shots quickly improved and i added a bubble top rancho from 2005 in there.
well i was happy for a short while. until my hand started to get "confused" between the two discs. i was trying to throw roc shots with the buzz and buzz shots with the roc. i tried to work through it but everytime i thought i was making progress id start with the confusion mid round again. so i decided to just go with the roc since it was more consistent in the wind and there are alot of holes in that mid 200s range.
so now to my problem. i miss the faster midrange like the buzzz. i cant get the roc to 300ft with out giving it considerable airtime. the buzz i could run low lines with ease out to 300. heck the buzzz took over the majority of the leopard shots. so i dont want to deal with the lack of wind stability in a buzzz and i refuse to go hunt for the first runs. i would prefer to stay with DX/D and X/Pro style plastic as my release consistency is much higher with these plastics. so i found some ProD Wasps 175-176g, figuring that its supposed to be a more stable than the buzzz and better in the wind. took them out to the field yesterday and the things are flippier than hell. i thought that maybe i was torquing or OATing the shit out of them. so i grabbed some beat up rocs and buzzzs to make sure i wasnt just being dumb. i had no issues with those, i could get beat ones to run straighter more stable lines than a brand new wasp. i eventually figured out how to get it to go the way i wanted it to. basically i pretend i was throwing a understable putter on a hyzer line (slow and alot of hyzer on the release). then the 3 of them started to fly straight and stable. so im a bit baffled. it never takes me that much effort to learn the basics of a disc, especially one that is supposed to be so similar to what ive thrown for years.
so i have two questions i could use help on:
1). Am i just an idiot and need to spend more time in the field? i play alot of midrange only rounds so its not like i dont get to throw them often. or should i try to make the Roc and Buzzz work?
2). Any other midrange options? Criteria: heavily prefer dx/d and pro/X type plastic, able to hold straight to overstable lines in the wind, and capable of 300ft on low flying lines (so it needs glide). Im thinking of trying the sentinel MF and warrior. id be down with the hornet but it only comes in Z, id love it in X or D and i have an ESP. or if they still made the storm id be even happier.
thanks for any ideas and for taking the time.
