Selah Lakeside just got its lowest rating - 3.5. Reviewer copy & pasted the same generic review for both Lakeside and Creekside.
That sort of thing should be reported.
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Selah Lakeside just got its lowest rating - 3.5. Reviewer copy & pasted the same generic review for both Lakeside and Creekside.
No it should not be reported. Just because a course is rated in the top 10, doesn't mean it shouldn't have to stand up against all reviewers. If you delete reviews you create a bias which is not helpful.
You make a valid point. To which I respond:
1) To a certain degree, people can only rate it based on what it's like when they play it. If it was dry when they played it, so be it.
2) My son and I had already planned our trip to coincide with the Tigers being in KC, and ended up playing HB the day after a downpour that forced locals to cancel the 2nd round of a tournament. Based on what I'd read about the course, I picked up a couple of pairs of knee-high rubber galoshes ... glad I did! The water was not bad at all on the front 9, or 15 - 18, but much of the fairways from 10 - 14 were under water up anywhere from 2"-6" deep. I don't think any of the tees were submerged. Even with most of 10-14 under water, it was without qualification, one of the very best DG experiences I've ever had.
3) How should one account for a course's tendency to hold water when reviewing/rating?
I've played other courses in flood plains, and rate them based on what I think are typical conditions, but clearly indicate in my review if the course tends to hold water or drains well, and let the course conditions tell people whether it flooded or swampy. I don't necessarily thing the overall rating should reflect how the course plays in it's poorest state, but there's something to be said for factoring in the likelihood of said poorest state.
No doubt HB will be wet for more days of the year than other courses in the area, and players might be wise to road tripping to HB during spring thaw/rains.
The Selah courses were 1,2 at one point.....both designed by Houck.
This is true, but the reviewer goes on to berate the course's open-ness (which is pretty arguable), brags about the # of courses played and reviewed with only 7 played & reviewed in profile info (maybe he has multiple dgcr profiles?), and rated Selah the same as Rivery park in Georgetown which is just silly. I agree the reviews shouldn't be removed but c'mon man.
Then again maybe I'm just salty about Selah dropping to #2
I agree with this. Unless there's something blatantly wrong and obvious about a reviewer having an agenda that involves something other than their opinion of the course... which is neigh on impossible to prove, every review counts.No it should not be reported. Just because a course is rated in the top 10, doesn't mean it shouldn't have to stand up against all reviewers. If you delete reviews you create a bias which is not helpful.
^This! I just played Flip again yesterday. I still think it's a 5.0, must play, you'll have a freaking blast and want to come back experience.Totally agree. I've been there twice for multiple day stays, and Flip was one of those WOW moments. The more you play it, the more you realize how much Bill actually puts into the course! Man I need to get back there.
Absolutely. Use Rollin Ridge as an example. In August and September when it's dry, RR is a 5. In April and May when it's soggy and you finish your round with wet feet and pants soaked to the knees, it's a 4, or worse on some days. The same with my home course. I consider it a 4, but in the spring when the skeeters are bad and holes are flooded, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.If in your mind a course needs to be all things to all players, all the time ...then perhaps no course deserves a 5.0.
Do we have a list of all courses that have ever been #1 since DGCR started.
How about all courses that have ever been in the top 10.
When and the number of weeks would also be a bonus (kind of like Billboard Music charts or the AP poll in college sports).
That sort of thing should be reported.
The reviews were thought through, provided specific reason as to why he felt the rating was justified. I cannot really find a reason why anyone would report the reviews. Selah is far from my style of course, but I will continue to white knight the right to have anyone write down their opinion.
Problem is he is wrong. It is absurd to say the courses don't have risk reward or decision making off the tee. His justification tells me he doesn't understand the concept. In regards to the water carries, a lot of them are multi shot holes, you absolutely have to decide if you want to go for the green or lay up again.
That said, I'm not going to report it, and I've reported a few this year.
To each his own. I am not one to tell others that their opinions are wrong.
3) I can't say definitively that I've played other flood plain routings, but I've played a lot of courses overall, and trudging through soupy fairways is one of my disc golfing pet peeves. I don't advocate rating a course based upon its worst possible conditions, but if I can expect to be playing through wetlands for 3-5 months out of the year I feel obligated to deduct from my rating. I wouldn't expect any of my personal permanent course 5's (Idlewild, Flip, Rollin Ridge, WR Jackson, Selah Lakeside, and possibly BRP in no particular order) to be so negatively affected by conditions on any given day. HB is definitely in the same league as those others design-wise, but that uncertainty keeps me from awarding the full 5 discs.
As someone above mentioned, if you really want to follow this rule, then I would think you'd have to rate Rollin Ridge below a 5. It's super wet for at least a couple months every year. We didn't even get to play it in Silver Cup this year because it was just so wet they had to move the tourney to a different course.
Kind of a crazy blanket rule there. I can think of many circumstances where I would, but as you say, to each his own.
This is true, but to be fair, this year was one of the wettest WI summers I can remember. It rained almost every day for a decent span.
trudging through soupy fairways is one of my disc golfing pet peeves