Out of curiousity, are the maps on DGCR for the old layout or one of the revisions?
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The problem is it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Get a bunch of lawsuits over poorly designed courses and suddenly parks and recreation risk management practices will restrict disc golf to disc golf-only land, making a lot of land we currently have access to off limits and resulting in it being much harder for courses to get in the ground. Disc golf can successfully utilize multi-use land, but you have to be careful. This design isn't being careful, it's shoving disc golf into places where it doesn't fit. If we keep doing this, the final outcome is going to suck for us. I'd rather pull the bad courses now than wait for decent/good course to get pulled over fears of a lawsuit.So is it perfect? No, and it's not going to be. And neither are 99% of the courses out there. It has issues, and they are known. But the good news is the local club is trying to fix them. As for your suggestion that the baskets be pulled when there are games being played on the fields, I honestly wouldn't object to it. But here's the thing, those fields are already off-limits to casual games. They are primarily for travel clubs to play and practice, so when there is a group there, it's huge. You'll know something is going on and that play is going to be nigh impossible. For folks that don't know the course there could be signs at the kiosk saying "front 9 closed" or something, and the holes could be numbered so if just the baseball fields are in use the back 9 are still playable. There are solutions out there. I don't think pulling up the whole course is the answer, really. And I also don't really understand why there is so much hatred for this course- surely it's not the only one out there with issues. In fact, I know it isn't, but the backlash from people who have never seen it is inexplicable. If it's not your cup of tea, don't play. Think it's poor design, don't play. But honestly, if you're not going to play, and not going to offer solutions to help make it better, I don't see why you care. There's not a huge public call for its removal, there haven't been any injuries to my knowledge, and it makes use of a park that 75% of the time is sitting empty. The non-disc public doesn't care one way or the other, so what's the problem?
True. It is always prudent to avoid Royal
I have to strongly disagree. A hole is safe or it's not. You can't design a hole and think "Well, it shoots over the parking lot but when the park is dead and there are no cars it won't be an issue." If you have a parking lot, you have to assume that there will be cars parked there. When you have a soccer field, you have to assume that it is in use when you design the uses of the land around it. Otherwise you are designing conflict into your park as multiple uses that you have designed into your park do not work together.
In the Springwood case you would need to post the soccer fields closed when the disc golf course was open and pull the baskets for those holes when the soccer field is open to keep those holes safe. Just saying "Well, the fields are empty a lot of the time" and hope you don't have conflict doesn't cut it. That's bad park design AND bad disc golf course design.
So get rid of the thousand other courses that have dangerous throws? Do you not realize that people can and will sue over anything? You can design a perfect disc golf only course and have somebody slip on a tee and sue. I just don't see the difference between Springwood and a thousand other courses in that regard.
Again, that's the lowest common denominator argument that it's OK for your course to be dangerous because there are other dangerous holes out there. It's not a great argument in your defense.So get rid of the thousand other courses that have dangerous throws? Do you not realize that people can and will sue over anything? You can design a perfect disc golf only course and have somebody slip on a tee and sue. I just don't see the difference between Springwood and a thousand other courses in that regard.
So get rid of the thousand other courses that have dangerous throws? Do you not realize that people can and will sue over anything? You can design a perfect disc golf only course and have somebody slip on a tee and sue. I just don't see the difference between Springwood and a thousand other courses in that regard.
But here's the thing, those fields are already off-limits to casual games. They are primarily for travel clubs to play and practice, so when there is a group there, it's huge. You'll know something is going on and that play is going to be nigh impossible. For folks that don't know the course there could be signs at the kiosk saying "front 9 closed" or something, and the holes could be numbered so if just the baseball fields are in use the back 9 are still playable.
The existence of poorly designed holes and courses does not justify allowing new poorly designed holes or courses to be installed.
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So is it perfect? No, and it's not going to be. And neither are 99% of the courses out there. It has issues, and they are known. But the good news is the local club is trying to fix them. As for your suggestion that the baskets be pulled when there are games being played on the fields, I honestly wouldn't object to it. But here's the thing, those fields are already off-limits to casual games. They are primarily for travel clubs to play and practice, so when there is a group there, it's huge. You'll know something is going on and that play is going to be nigh impossible. For folks that don't know the course there could be signs at the kiosk saying "front 9 closed" or something, and the holes could be numbered so if just the baseball fields are in use the back 9 are still playable. There are solutions out there. I don't think pulling up the whole course is the answer, really. And I also don't really understand why there is so much hatred for this course- surely it's not the only one out there with issues. In fact, I know it isn't, but the backlash from people who have never seen it is inexplicable. If it's not your cup of tea, don't play. Think it's poor design, don't play. But honestly, if you're not going to play, and not going to offer solutions to help make it better, I don't see why you care. There's not a huge public call for its removal, there haven't been any injuries to my knowledge, and it makes use of a park that 75% of the time is sitting empty. The non-disc public doesn't care one way or the other, so what's the problem?
QFT. The only real value of hearing about this for most of us is a cautionary tale/ what not to do. The rest of it is none of my business. I hope this thread can die now.