cmlasley said:
keltik said:
well how about distance wise?
i thought the old addage was like this DX>Proline>Champ for distance.
This is a tough question because it depends on the mold and the run. For instance, I've never found a DX Teebird that I couldn't consistently throw further than Champ, until the newer opaque 12x TBs came out, which had more dome. Since then, I've seen about equally consistent D from Champ and DX. Before the 12x Champ, the Stars were longer than 11x and shorter than DX, w/ Pro being basically a no-show in that mold. Now D for me from highest to lowest goes DX/Champ, then Star.
Beside run variations, plastic formulations are changing, too. The newest Pro I've felt and thrown feels like the old stiff/slick Star, and flies very similarly. DX has gone through some soft and flat trends, but seems to be fairly stiff and domey again. I don't think its as easy to answer the distance question anymore.
I agree with cmlasley on this. Formulations have changed too much across all the different plastics to make any hard-and-fast rules that apply to all plastics. The Pro plastic Teebirds I threw felt great but were absolute crap in the air --- I could fling piles of elephant poo farther and with more accuracy. Yet some of the other molds in the Pro plastic -- like the Pro Wraiths -- go farther and better than any other plastic (until they hit ONE tree, then they are done for).
Too many factors and too many inconsistencies and exceptions to every rule.
I'd say in GENERAL, someone's post earlier was close, but I'd be a little more conservative. My estimates, assuming play 3-4 times a week on courses with moderate trees and no crazy rocks/concrete. If you play more/less often no courses with more/less ravaging terrain, adjust accordingly.
DX - starts to break-in in 1-3 months
Pro - 1-3 months
Star - 3 months to 18 months
Champ - 6 months to 2 years
old CE - 1 year to 5 years
The trick is, too, that this is a rough estimate. Different discs are far more sensitive than others. Blunt discs take longer to break in; super-fast discs take much less time to break in. A DX Roc can age nicely over years. A DX Destroyer can be useless in a couple of months.
A good friend plays all the time and uses his Champ 2005 USDGC Eye Roc for probably half his shots. It's finally getting broken in after 3 years of play. My brother's got some CE Teebirds/Firebirds in his bag that have been there since 2003 and are still close to their original flight... The Valks beat up a lot faster than that, however (faster disc).
And as people have said, star plastic varies a lot. Some star is super stiff and some is super grippy, and I haven't had any star in my bag long enough to know for sure how it will hold up. I know the Star Destroyers that I've had in there a little under a year are already noticeably flippier than they started out. And I don't play as often as a lot of people (probably 4-6 rounds a month on average, usually packed into two days of intense play).
On the other hand, I've got Star and Champ Rocs that are awesome and, have been in the bag 6-12 months and haven't changed a bit.
