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I almost forgot to put that part in there. It's a very common mistake, people forget how to walk when throwing.So, I did actually what you said not to do, in the video.. Jesus.. any mental cues to hinge from the hips? Butt out? "Sit in to the throw"?
Thanks for your inputs guys, I appreciate a ton
1. Yes.Minor update (again):
"I'm so frustrated, to the point where I really just think about giving up on any form improvement and just play my casual round every now and then."
1. I'm not sure if you guys have had this thought running through your mind?
2. Im facing huge adversity in my private life and I'm not sure if that correlates to my "form work" or lack thereof.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate the kind words!1. Yes.
2. Yes.
Hope things get better personally.
Sounds like maybe you should be playing with more elephant and whip step and just "let it fly" for a little my friend. Be free. Frisbees and throwing them should be joyous things.
"Lounge" = "lunge"?Thanks buddy, I appreciate the kind words!
To be fair, my casual rounds with friends has been some of the best in a while. Not only scoring wise, but I've enjoyed them SO much. Made me forget about the things I struggle with.
I think my frustrations with form work comes down to:
1. I absolutely do not put any time into it. And I still think I'm 12 and my body somehow is gonna adapt itself.. being 36, it doesn't, at all. Muscle memory is a b... At this age.
2. When I somehow get things right (a brace, timing, not over rotating etc) I instantly thinks that I've found the right cue for me... And then I can't replicate it for 500 throws.
Question time: you know English isn't my first language, so bare with me.
Whip step drill: I really like this drill, since there's "more" to it, than I originally thought.
In the drill, Andrew kinda shows it like an "alternating lounge" and I wondered.. if I were to use that drill and stay "posted up on the front leg, how would I do that? If I push myself directly back (east?) like a lounge while carrying my CoM(?) north(?), I feel like I automatically have to tense my core to remain postured and I actually goes from APT to a more "neutral" position.
Does that make any sense?
Otherwise I have to record myself
Thanks buddy, I appreciate the kind words!
To be fair, my casual rounds with friends has been some of the best in a while. Not only scoring wise, but I've enjoyed them SO much. Made me forget about the things I struggle with.
I think my frustrations with form work comes down to:
1. I absolutely do not put any time into it. And I still think I'm 12 and my body somehow is gonna adapt itself.. being 36, it doesn't, at all. Muscle memory is a b... At this age.
2. When I somehow get things right (a brace, timing, not over rotating etc) I instantly thinks that I've found the right cue for me... And then I can't replicate it for 500 throws.
Question time: you know English isn't my first language, so bare with me.
Whip step drill: I really like this drill, since there's "more" to it, than I originally thought.
In the drill, Andrew kinda shows it like an "alternating lounge" and I wondered.. if I were to use that drill and stay "posted up on the front leg, how would I do that? If I push myself directly back (east?) like a lounge while carrying my CoM(?) north(?), I feel like I automatically have to tense my core to remain postured and I actually goes from APT to a more "neutral" position.
Does that make any sense?
Otherwise I have to record myself
And I believe that if most of us looks back and reevaluate our game, 95% of us will see that we've improved to some degree. I know I have. I just tend to get frustrated when I can't incorporate a certain mechanic to the throw or I film myself and see I still struggle with the exact same issue I did 2 years ago (not to the same extend, but it's still there).I think what wears on people isn't so much form work, net work, field work, course work, etc. I think it's more "I didn't get better" or "that didn't work" or some other way of determining failure occurred. I think if you're working on something, seeing success and improvement over time, you're more likely to enjoy it, and continue doing it. If you hit a wall, and no matter what you do, you can't get past it - that is what becomes tedious.
I mean... look at my avatar lmao.Would a hammer whip step be too aggressive of an approach, in regards to timing and "feel"?
Before injuries I had a "oh shit" moment on the course, after doing hammer drills all summer. It felt exactly like a whip step throw, just x25. Kinda like I had to counter my "heavy" hand by leaning east, while the hand/disc felt like a 10 pound hammer.. I still chase that feeling on the regular and I think that if I could recreate just a zip of that feeling, I would be satisfied lol.
For future reference. I need to remember this.
Along with
You are a wise man, Nick.I think what wears on people isn't so much form work, net work, field work, course work, etc. I think it's more "I didn't get better" or "that didn't work" or some other way of determining failure occurred. I think if you're working on something, seeing success and improvement over time, you're more likely to enjoy it, and continue doing it. If you hit a wall, and no matter what you do, you can't get past it - that is what becomes tedious.
This is common in sports. Every time my skills have "leveled up" I've been impressed at how much more work it takes to get to a new plateau. Since I don't really have time to work on most of the skills right now I've just learned to enjoy what I've got more and nudge it around. I enjoy driving more than anything else so that's where I invest my time. I'm pretty accurate most of the time, but not precise. The time to get to pro-level precise probably takes a lot more work than most people have time or patience or interest to invest.And I believe that if most of us looks back and reevaluate our game, 95% of us will see that we've improved to some degree. I know I have. I just tend to get frustrated when I can't incorporate a certain mechanic to the throw or I film myself and see I still struggle with the exact same issue I did 2 years ago (not to the same extend, but it's still there).
I've always been able to pick up any sport during my youth and be pretty darn good at it (soccer, basketball, handball, table tennis, etc), but father Time gets all of us lol.
We all have a limited amount of bandwidth. Give yourself grace. The game is just fine played for fun. When things settle down then get serious about the game again if you want to. Some rounds are pure magic and some nothing goes right.Minor update (again):
"I'm so frustrated, to the point where I really just think about giving up on any form improvement and just play my casual round every now and then."
I'm not sure if you guys have had this thought running through your mind? Im facing huge adversity in my private life and I'm not sure if that correlates to my "form work" or lack thereof.
I HAD settled on leaving the field work out of my game for now, but then I found myself pinched behind a tree and had to do a "elefant walk/whip step" throw during a round.
Aaaand the disc just came out like a rocket. Went straight for my phone and tried to do it again.. no bueno..
I hate this game, with a passion.
Just kidding.. maybe..
Same, same same. I was going back through some of the film I have of myself and couldn't actually find any good mechanics. I know I have developed them at time, but I don't actually film myself when I'm throwing well. I have the bad habit of only filming when things aren't working and im frustrated with my on course performance. So there is some bias to the bad when it comes to seeing the same old bad habits recurring on film. I don't ever see me NOT doing those things, but I know by performance that I AM doing things right at times.And I believe that if most of us looks back and reevaluate our game, 95% of us will see that we've improved to some degree. I know I have. I just tend to get frustrated when I can't incorporate a certain mechanic to the throw or I film myself and see I still struggle with the exact same issue I did 2 years ago (not to the same extend, but it's still there).
I've always been able to pick up any sport during my youth and be pretty darn good at it (soccer, basketball, handball, table tennis, etc), but father Time gets all of us lol.
I can tell you that as smooth and natural as my move is now starting to work, at 80%+ it is definitely an athletic feat that I still occasionally underestimate. If I throw too much at 80%+ I get sore, and if I throw too much more than that I am sore for 2 days. Being able to move for my wife and daughters the rest of my life is more important to me now than what I know it would take to get another repeatable 50-100' at my age with my issues (if that's even possible for me). Really.The last year or so, 90% of my rounds left me with a smile on my face. Not because of great rounds, but due to the thought of "my god I'm lucky that I get to spend time with great friends, laughing and being able to throw". Having severe chronic pain at times, I've learned to value the hours my body lets me play. I can still get mad if a round isn't going my way, but that's life and it usually doesn't bother me that much.