I figure if a disc is stuck in a tree and you knock it out you play from where it lands...but what about a low bush. Had that happened today. Where would i play it from behind the bush? and is it considered an out of bounds if i have to move it?
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I figure if a disc is stuck in a tree and you knock it out you play from where it lands...but what about a low bush. Had that happened today. Where would i play it from behind the bush? and is it considered an out of bounds if i have to move it?
The lie extends directly below the disc and you just play it like that. Unless the two meter rule is in effect and its in violation.
You can also get casual relief and play the lie directly behind the bush if you can't get in a proper stance for some reason.
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I was probably incorrect with my verbiage. But if you can't take a stance from the lie, the lie then extends to a certain distance behind without penalty. I believe.Incorrect (to the bolded). You don't get casual relief from a bush unless it contains a dangerous animal or insect. Or the TD has declared the bush to be a casual relief area in advance of the round. Absent one of those, it is an obstacle like any other and one gets no free relief from it. Play it as it lies.
ok thanks wow i need to get a rule bookRelevant rule is 805.01 Establishing a Position.
If the disc is suspended above the ground, whether in a tree or a low bush, you mark on the ground directly below the disc and play from there. Not where it ends up after you knock it down.
In a low bush, you mark the lie underneath the disc and you do your best to take a stance on that lie that does the least to disrupt or damage the bush. In other words, don't break branches and don't hold them out of your way, but take a stance that puts a supporting point (foot, knee, hand, etc) on the lie.
If you don't want to play from in/under the bush, you can relocate the lie with a penalty. It is not "out of bounds" however. It is either optional relief (line of play relief with penalty) or abandoned throw (re-throw from previous lie with penalty).
If its in a tree you play the lie directly underneath it. With a penalty if the 2 meter rule is in effect. Wait until after your throw to get it out. Knocking it out of the tree is a penalty.
If its in a tree you play the lie directly underneath it. With a penalty if the 2 meter rule is in effect. Wait until after your throw to get it out. Knocking it out of the tree is a penalty.
"Some reason" does NOT include not having your preferred stance or not wanting to take a stance, ie: "ouch these briars hurt, I don't wanna go in there."...
You can also get casual relief and play the lie directly behind the bush if you can't get in a proper stance for some reason...
I was probably incorrect with my verbiage. But if you can't take a stance from the lie, the lie then extends to a certain distance behind without penalty. I believe.
If the lie below the suspended disc ends up being in a solid obstacle, like the trunk of the bush/tree, then you play from directly behind the trunk. Any relief beyond that comes with a penalty.
I would consider any instance where it is physically impossible to make legal contact with the lie to logically follow the solid object rule.
wow ...well maybe after 22 years i won't but after 2 months i still do a lot"Some reason" does NOT include not having your preferred stance or not wanting to take a stance, ie: "ouch these briars hurt, I don't wanna go in there."
The simplest way to think about it is if you don't want to play from your disc, you shouldn't have thrown it there.
Agreed. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the entire purpose of the rule.
The key takeaway of the rule is that the lie in such a case is directly behind the obstacle, not some "certain distance" away.
ok thanks wow i need to get a rule book
wow ...well maybe after 22 years i won't but after 2 months i still do a lot
Again, incorrect to the bolded. There is no rule or associated penalty as to the timing of when you retrieve a disc from a tree. It's a good idea to mark the lie first so it is done accurately, but once it's marked, you can pull it from the tree or knock it out if it is something that can be done swiftly and without disturbing any other players.
The guy said he was gonna knock it out of the tree and call that the lie. That's what I was saying not to do.