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Carrollton Park DGC

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Surge5
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Experience: 9.7 years 167 played 167 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Roadway

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 28, 2023 Played the course:once

Pros:

Carrollton does nearly everything right as a course. Defined landing zones, tricky pin spots, and picky tee shots. It's all accomplished by a great McCormack design.

Concrete tees on every hole with a great tee sign. Pin spots were kept updated with a little bolt on the current position(s). Six holes (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, and 13) have a second basket. Looks like the newer (or, at least, prettier) Gateway basket with a small blue circlet on top showing the hole number.

Tackling the par 4s and 5s is a great challenge. My favorite was hole 5. With bamboo bushes growing close to the OB road about 300ft off the tee, your choice is to lay up short of said bushes and go big on your second shot, or go big arm over the road and get past them in one. 8, 9, 13, and 18 also have those same kinds of options and defined landing areas for the novice vs experienced player, but with the pars being above three it's not a punishment to play short off the tee.

Several precarious basket placements with the elevation. 5, 6, 8, and 10 have a pin spot that is perched right on the edge of a four-foot fall (described below) in the land making running a putt much more nerve-wracking. 15 and 18 are perched on a very steep hill making rollaways very common. Other spots don't use much elevation, but are still very tricky: 1, 5, 8, 11, 15, and 18 all have a pin that's tucked into the hedge-line, approaching accurately is very important. Hitting the gap on 12's right pin is the only way to deuce, and 3 has some small guardians on its short pin making the birdie much tougher.

Elevation isn't on all holes, but when it is... buckle up. I should describe these "rises" and "falls" as I call them: they change the elevation by two to four feet in the span of about twelve inches. I assume this was separating the land lots back when this was a subdivision, but now it makes a very unique course feature. So there are small rises and falls on many holes, but then you get to hole 7, which is four rises in a row which turns a "straightforward" 420ft shot (B pin) into a 550ft of power nightmare. The D pin is over the bushes after carrying all the way up that hill... I can't imagine anything except a lucky spike hyzer parking it for a three. 13 has one of those rises while still playing steadily uphill, but the rise is set at just the distance so that if the perfect long drive was hit, it will probably be stopped by the rise. 11 is a fun bomb down the hill as is 16.

Tight tree gaps off the tee are the final big challenge. They aren't ever-present, but 2, 5, 10, 13, 15, and 17 all have some tough lines to navigate. I smacked first available twice during my round.

Cons:

This course is built on an old subdivision's land. What do subdivisions have? Roads. Every single hole on this course is bordered by at least one road. While the course is really the only thing in the park, the roads are used frequently and having pins that sit very close to the road on 4, 5, 10, 13, and 17 might lead to you going too soft on an upshot for fear of the cars. It's good to have tough OB; it's not good when the OB has cars on it. Also there's no parking lot (again, former subdivision) so the fairways of 1, 9, and 10 will likely be risky to go all-out on.

A lot of the routing between holes is awful. 1 to 2, 5 to 6, 7 to 8, 8 to 9, 10 to 11, 12 to 13, 13 to 14, and 15 to 16 are all so out of sorts and you'll really need a course map with you. There are next tee airplanes on the signs (you read that right), but even then the distance between some of the holes is just putrid.

The rises and falls we talked about earlier can be fairly tough to walk down. Up isn't too bad, but down is pretty steep and could result in a fall.

The long pins of 15 and 18 both dogleg into the bushes to a basket on the hill... those baskets are only about 40ft apart. There's a very good chance you put it too far on your approach and end up on the other fairway. It shouldn't be too common that this becomes an issue, but it's a design flaw even so.

Some of the open holes are a little lacking, but the main villain is Hole 14. The right line off the tee is covered by trees, but once you're 50ft off the tee it's wide open all the way to the pin.

Other Thoughts:

Don't park at the apartment complex by 14/15. In the entry area to the apartments was fine, however.

I was quite happy with all the challenges presented by this course. I wish it had less OB roads but I'm not going to count that against it in my score. Don't sweat the OBs and you'll have a round that tests all aspects of your game. This was definitely on the lower end of my 4.0 ratings, but it's a worthy stop if you're find yourself with some free time near the airport.
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Lazerface
Experience: 5 played 5 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Excellent golf - Poor Flow/Amenities 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 9, 2018 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Disclaimer - Reviewers value different aspects of a course. I put almost all the weight on how a course plays. Others put more or an equal amount of weight on flow/amenities/aesthetics/etc. There is no right way to review a course. It's a matter of opinion. But the ratings variance of this course comes from this principle.

Firstly, this course sits on a piece of property that used to be a large neighborhood. When the airport expanded and built a new runway the homeowners were bought out and houses leveled. Driveways are gone, but roads remain.

The property itself was ready for 18 baskets to drop right in. What is cool about the land is they used to be lots. So there is some very pretty non-native trees/plant throughout the course that give it a pretty look. At the same time there is something a bit "unnatural" to the terrain. Overall, it's very pretty though.

This is a long course with many Par 4s and fairways that are large, but demand accurate drives to specific landing zones to get up and down for birdie. There is nothing lucky/unfair out there.

the rough in some spots is very thick and will require a pitch out. you are punished if you miss your lines.

I thought the roads were incorporated well and make for some excellent OB Risk/Reward

Gateway Titans

Multiple Pin Placements that are very spread out given the amount of room and make for excellent variation in course set up.

Finally - 18 giant tee pads!!!!!

Overall, this is a golf course for Pro-Advanced players looking to throw distance shots with control and test their upshot game. There are a good mix of Par 3s on the course as well. Low 50s is very doable, but the course can get much harder when the pins are maxed out.

Cons:

Amenities - No restrooms, no parking, no kiosk, no shelter, no practice basket, limited trash cans, terrible signage. This property is literally a giant chunk of abandoned land owned by the city. It's not a park. The disc golf course is it. I'm not sure the city is going to invest the capital for any of this stuff anytime soon

Terrible signage - Non existent basically. But this course seems to be going through a revival of sorts and I think signs are on the horizon

Course Flow/Directional Signage - to elaborate on the flow a bit - although some walks seem unreasonable the impact on a player not having a good time could be greatly reduced if large, obvious directional signage "Next Tee" was added. Much of the course flows perfectly fine, but does require the crossing of roads many times throughout play, which makes perfect sense on this unique piece of land, but given traditional disc golf courses (with just a couple road crossings) is admittedly confusing in many parts. The only actual semi long walks and backtracking are 1-2, 8-9, 13-14. I think the "bad flow" narrative is inflated on this course because of the lack of maps and directional signage. It actually flows decent, but it's certainly not even close to obvious where to go next. The openness of the course and ability to see many tee pads at one time within walking distance and terrible signage compounds on this fact and I totally understand why the bad flow narrative exists, but again, it's inflated.

Kiosk - So this is one thing I believe the local club could work into the course without city funds. This course needs a Map near hole 1 and some quality score cards/maps for players to take. This would be HUGE for first timers/out of towners

Other Thoughts:

In summary, the course itself is fantastic if your looking to play advanced level golf. Lot of shot shaping and risk-reward with OB in play.

Course amenities are just non existent for the most part. If that's what your coming for, this course should not be on your to do list in STL.

If your in St. Louis for the golf, PLAY HERE. Just track down a map or advice from a local before hand so you can enjoy the golf and don't have to worry about being lost every 10 minutes.
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Cujo
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 29.9 years 254 played 31 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Difficult Course - NEW CONCRETE PADS! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Apr 25, 2018 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

-Difficult.
-NEW CONCRETE PADS FOR EVERY HOLE AS OF MAY 2018
-Awesome Gateway baskets
-Excellent Natural rough that punishes you for throws even slightly off line.
Did I just mention Difficult. People think you need lots of trees and water and mandos to be difficult...you don't, you just need fairways lined with roads and or dense forest...that's it. That's Carrollton.

Cons:

-a couple holes are hard to find so you will want a map or a course guide your first play through, specifically the transitions around holes 6-11. You have to backtrack a couple times and it's possible to entirely miss a couple holes.
-You really need a decent arm to shoot close to par here and certainly under par. I'm talking a consistent 350-400. Having 400+ power really helps as there are SEVERAL holes that are quite long

Other Thoughts:

I see someone above commented that this course was "too easy" but in the same review as a con said "the fairways are too close to the road"! Hahahaha Um hello, the road plays out of bounds!!! That's what makes the course difficult, that and ALL THE ROUGH EVERYWHERE!

Sure if you play the roads in bounds it might be easy. Play it how it's meant with the roads OB and this course is an animal.

some of the holes feel like wind tunnels and the wind can change directions constantly. Whether this is because it's next to the airport with planes flying low overhead all the time or the way the holes are positioned...It's nuts. Bring OS stuff with you and a decent roller disc to get out of the inevitable trouble you will be in.

It's not my favorite course in the StL area...(that would be Konarcik) but it is a good course and worth playing. Sure there are some holes that feel similar due to the layout of the park but that doesn't make it easier.
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StLZep
Experience: 10.2 years 32 played 2 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Aug 2, 2014 Played the course:once

Pros:

Requires a variety of deliberate shots and smart golf. Creative elevation/terrain usage.
There's a lot of effort being put in to improve this course and it shows.

Cons:

Navigation if you've never been. Print a map and bring water.

Other Thoughts:

The tee pads being installed are quality. It's a challenging and fun course. Please treat it as such and don't leave trash. It's a course for disc golf, not a park that happens to have a course.
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TheGoldenPutter
Experience: 15.1 years 52 played 9 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Dec 1, 2012 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

The park used to be an old neighborhood and was torn down to expand the airport. All the houses and driveways are gone but you can still see where the houses used to stand because of the terraced landscape. This makes the park truly unique. The old streets also still remain which adds the challenge of OB on most holes.

+Design: The course uses the wood lines that used to be the edges of properties, so on most of the holes you have to navigate around thin pieces of densely "wooded" areas. This makes for fun and challenging hole shapes. An example would be #7, off the tee you throw up the terraces about 300ft to a 15 foot wide hole in the strip of woods, where the pin sits 50ft past that.

+Par 3's: The course plays on the longer par 4 side, but there are 7 throughout the course and each require a different shot. #6 is only 180ft but right behind the pin is a 5ft terrace drop off, so if you go long on the drive or putt, your looking at a difficult putt back.

+Par 4's and 5's: lots of solid 4's with a few 5's. All of them have interesting and fun approach/fairway shots. They also require good tee shot placement instead of just a long drive because of the OB streets. This adds a lot to the course because it demands distance and accuracy. There are probably a few holes where discing down is beneficial; good practice.

+Elevation: As mentioned before, the terraces make the park a fun new challenge.
+Multiple tees provide different shots
+Multiple pin locations that can dramatically change the hole.
+Challenge level is just right
+Discs are easy to find because the wooded strips are generally 10ft wide at most.
+Baskets: Gateway Titans, personal favourite.
+Grass kept short

Cons:

-The course could still be considered a beta course. There aren't that many amenities yet but once the city decides to make this a permanent course it should be upgraded.

-Navigation: Even though signs have been put up to help, navigation can be tough. The streets running through the park can break up the flow and make it confusing. If you take a map and follow the new signs it should be easy though.

-Only tee sings are wooden posts w/ hole # and distance. So walking the hole to locate the pin may be necessary.

-Natural tee pads: Most of them are flat, but there are some rougher ones, and with rain footing could be difficult.

-Other: There are a few trash cans and picnic tables here and there but for such a long course some more benches would be very nice.

-Parking lot: The problem is, there isn't one. You have to park along the old streets, which could be a problem. The most convenient place to park is right along hole 9's fairway, so that means an out of control disc could be in your windshield. There are safe places to park though if that is a concern. If you park past #1's pin or by #15's tee pad you car should be safe.


Other Thoughts:

>Could be a pro or con, but every now and then a jet will be taking off/landing at the nearby airport so you get a personal airshow, which includes the noise.

>Overall this course is really enjoyable to play.
>Unique challenge that I haven't found anywhere else.
>Print the map ( under links and files)
>Please respect the course. The course will only improve if it is kept in good shape. There is no excuse for litering.
>This is must play if you're in town. One of my favourites in St. Louis.

************** If you found this review unhelpfull, found a mistake, or want more info, please send me a personal message on DGCR so I can help.
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birdman101
Experience: 14.7 years 59 played 24 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Suburbia 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 18, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course uses the area giving very well, considering it was meant to be a residential neighborhood. The streets and trees make the course very challenging. Several of the holes use the stair step type elevation form the old lots.

It allows you to use every type of shot you have with distances ranging from 120ft or so to 500+ ft. I think there was only 1 disc in my bag that i didn't throw when i played here.

There are also 3 tees, and at least 3 pin positions on each hole which allow for a big change in shots on every hole.

Cons:

The cons should all be fixed with time, the city of Bridgeton is sort of dragging their feet from what I'm told.

The tees are currently just paint on the ground with 4X4 post for the reds, the blue and yellows are just paint and a small stake. There are no real signs, there are distances written on the posts, but you have to know where the pins are as a large number of them are not visible from the tee.

There are no benches at any of the tees. There are a few trashcan spread throughout the course but a few more would be nice.

The titan on hole 4 is missing one of the bottom rings, but has been rigged up with zip ties.

There is no parking, so you have to park along the fairways. Take a map and be logical where you park close to 1 and 10's teepads is a good spot.

TAKE A MAP OR GUIDE it gets confusing. I had guides, and I'm not sure I could follow it on my own.

Other Thoughts:

BE RESPECTFUL so that the city will allow this course to be completed, and maybe even let more of the land around the airport be turned into disc golf courses.

Pick up your trash, watch your language there are apartments near by, and avoid breaking branches and trees (there was a lot of talk about this and how it has completely changed holes)

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