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Windlestrae Park - Original

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Ryal
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Experience: 6.9 years 222 played 185 reviews
0.50 star(s)

More Like 'Wander-Stray' Park 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 16, 2020 Played the course:once

Pros:

+ All baskets that you find are clean and numbered... even the ones that aren't in play!
+ This is a fun place to get lost in. (No, really!)
+ There are tee signs for seven of the nine holes, I think? But...

Cons:

- ... The tee signs are pretty bent and damaged to begin with. The signs for 5 and 6 are missing altogether.
- Only seven of the nine holes have a basket at the end of their fairways. (There are no baskets at the conclusions of 8 and 9.)
- The tee areas are just dirt or gravel.
- No 'next hole' signage at all to guide you along the long walks between holes. It's up to you to find your way.
- Since this place has so many forest paths and similar-looking walkways and bridges, players WILL get lost here!

Other Thoughts:

Right off the bat, I want to say that this is the most fun I've ever had getting lost at a course! I know how weird that sounds, and I definitely think that this course is easily one of the worst I've ever played. However, it reminds me of one of those movies that starts out so terrible and continues being terrible that it starts to make you laugh in that ironic enjoyment kind of way a la Tommy Wiseau's "The Room."

For instance, I wasn't laughing because I was throwing pars on these short distances. Instead, I found myself laughing because there is a section of the course that has five or six baskets within the same 50-meter radius: all of them numbered, all of them facing different directions, and all of them almost certainly in the wrong place.
I wasn't laughing because I hit exactly the line I was aiming for on these wide and forgiving fairways. Instead, I was laughing because one of the wide open holes has you throw right past a gorgeous grove of tall pine trees that would have been wonderful to play through.
And I wasn't laughing out of enjoyment of the quiet and contemplative scenery. Instead, I was laughing because within that scenery there were inexplicable baskets tucked in corners, long and winding paths that take you to who-knows-where and wide open areas of forest that looked as though they were purposely cleared out for disc golf fairways that were never finished. This course is a mess, but it's so bewildering and random that I found it weirdly endearing.

Just for this paragraph, let's ignore all of that and talk only about the holes in play by their own merits or demerits. The course at Windlestrae Park is quite bad- one of the worst. The walks between holes are much longer than average. There are no guiding signs, so players will not have any idea where they are going and might not uncover the entire layout, not that they'd be missing anything. The holes that exist are quite boring, flat and samey with their wide tree tunnels or open fields. Maybe hole 4 is the best one because it has a scenic putt area near a strong stream. But that's like picking my favorite kernel of corn in a turd. Some of the tee signs are missing, so you don't know where to start some holes. Some of the baskets are missing, so you can't end some holes. And there are so many other baskets in random places. There are dirt tee areas in random places. Nothing about this course makes sense.

During my session, I'm pretty sure that I counted 18 total baskets. They were in the weirdest and most disconnected of spots, but they're there. I would love to see this place turn into a proper 18-hole course someday, if that is the intention. This park definitely has the acreage and natural features for it. If someone reading this does eventually turn it into one, please reach out. I would love to give this place another chance! There are a few streams that could come into play, too. But as a "9-hole course" in its current state, Windlestrae is a joke. So maybe that's why I was laughing.

In closing, I think I was disappointed more than anything. The big forest and fields tricked me into setting higher expectations-- even after reading some of the previous reviews. Come here only if you want to see what failure looks like or if you enjoy a peaceful walk in the woods.
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itsRudy
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Experience: 7.8 years 74 played 63 reviews
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Too Much Effort for Too Little DG 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Aug 13, 2020 Played the course:once

Pros:

My real recommendation is to simply go to the nearby new Windlestrae Henning Field course and skip this one altogether.

Now for the course baggers amongst us, I had fun here last year but it was a lot more walking than throwing. Right now it's basically a 4 hole course at its best, perhaps 6 if you're persistent and bored.

Treat #5-6 as optional out-of-the-way side quests that aren't worth it. 7-8-9 basically no longer exist so forget them as well. This cuts down on that infamous Windlestrae Frustration.

The course is a mix of open grass with sporadic trees playing interference to forested holes with generous fairways and nasty brush on the sides. This is no elevation on holes.

+Baskets that exist are in good condition, double chained DGAs.
+It's shunned by most DGers, so it's empty!
+Plenty of soccer fields for field practice too.

Cons:

This course was originally planned and executed as an 18 holer but complications quickly decimated it down to a ragtag collection of nine random remaining holes shortly after opening with long, oft-confusing hops in-between with no navigational aids. Now it's been whittled down to six.

Excessive walking for a course this size and confusing hops in between. It deserved the abysmal ratings as a niner, now frankly it's no longer really worth the hassle. The worst thing is that it doesn't loop at all so at the end it's one long trudge back to the car, passing by almost every previous basket played.

This course took me a good 2.5 hours originally because I also got lost in Blair Witch's woods back there, even while using a phone app as a guide because, despite paths being drawn in straight lines, those straight walks were simply nonexistent when a creek is in the way. I'm tempted to bring a fat bike next time.

The course clustered (5-6) and (7-8-9) away from the first four and from each other. (7-8-9) was much closer to #4 than (5-6) but since they no longer exist at this point it's moot. 5-6 was a far walk and I didn't look this year if they still existed because of low payoff. #5 was a long, long straight tunnel shot and #6 a short shot that added nothing to the round.

-The still-existing layout isn't terribly hard to understand afterwards, but they sure don't make it easy to learn it for newcomers and the course map online isn't accurate. A few signs would help tremendously.
-Some signs and gravelly tees still exist, many don't.
-Nasty brush on the sides if your disc misses fairways.
-The forest holes are often muddy.

Other Thoughts:

Terrain Potential: XXX - Good. Flat. Open, lightly wooded, and forested variations plus creek.
Actual Execution: x - Bad. Layout was chopped up after neighbor complaints.
Upkeep: x - Bad. Navigation has been a nightmare for years. No navigation aids.
Difficulty: Xx - Finding the holes are harder than playing them, tbh.
Fun Factor: x - Bad. Too much walking for pedestrian holes.
Overall: x - Bad. This is a curiousity course rather than one you'd go to play as a DG player.

Starting Point: Make sure you park at Windlestrae Zehr Tract on Stump Road and not at the William F. Maule Park parking lot on Kenas Road, where this course once ended (#7-8-9) but no more. Head southeast from the parking lot, the first tee is on the field corner past the soccerfields at 40.244909, -75.209443 (google maps).

Amenities: There was a portapotty in the parking lot. There's a nice picnic area in the woods left of basket #2 with three concrete tables.

Layout: #1-4 are in a line, one after another. After #1, follow the forest line, it's a long walk to #2, about 800'. #3 will start on the right of the previous basket. #4 will be after the land bridge. I recommend ending the round here.

After #4 basket, backtrack a little and there will be a bridge over the river. Cross it. Less than a minute's walk is an intersection with paths left (#7-9 when they existed), right (nowhere), and straight (#5, 6).

#5-6. I call this path Pointless Alley. Go straight on, it leans right and will eventually curve left. (If you ever hit #14 sign, it's the end of Pointless Alley. Backtrack. No #14 baskets exist.) The first significantly wider forest route that opens up on the right can take you to basket #5 but it's not the fairway. Go further on Pointless Alley and another forest route on the right will appear, with a singular tree in the middle about 25' feet in, spray painted with a blue 'X'. This is #5's official fairway. No sign nor tee. Tee off as far in as you want because it's a stupid straight tunnel shot many hundreds of feet long, until it opens up into a muddy grass field. #6 is easy to find in the next corridor left over. Ignore the "Next Tee" direction arrow on this sign, it has no basis in reality anymore. Go straight after the basket and it'll bring you back to Pointless Alley. Head back to the bridge.

#7-9. Extinct. If you chose left just after the bridge near basket #4, you will see a similar bridge just a few steps in. This deposits you in middle of what once was #8. Far to the right is the tail end of the much better, new Windlestrae - Henning Field DG course.
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Zunz
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Experience: 10.5 years 85 played 21 reviews
0.50 star(s)

3 courses in 1! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 28, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

10 baskets

Cons:

The layout
The layout
The layout
The thorny rough
The mud
The disappearing tee gravel

Other Thoughts:

3 courses in 1... 1 park that is, housing what for all intents and purposes are 3 separate courses. If you are trying to play this course in order 1-10 you are going to have a really long walk for not a whole lot of disc golf. There were 18 holes here originally, but then the neighbors sued to have the course removed, they seem to have gotten 8 baskets. The ten that are left are in a well maintained park, I've seen storms make fairways unplayable with fallen trees but they are always cleared and the grass is always mowed everywhere. The rough though, is completely insane! I have a friend that learned to play here, he said he just thought it was normal to lose a disc every round, like losing a ball or three in that other game that calls its self golf.


Holes 1 and 2 are super short little straight throws. The walks from the parking lot to hole 1 and then from hole 1 to hole 2 are at least 4 times longer than the holes themselves. Don't lose your throws left into the woods, you might not see it and even if you do, you might not want to get it (Yes, the thorns are that thick!)

Hole 3 is a decently long shot with trees choking down the fairway about half way to the hole. The rough is super rough so stay on the fairway.

There's another sizable walk between 3 and 4 bringing you to another really short hole.

It's a crazy long walk to hole 5. Holes 5, 6 and 7 play in a remote section of the park, the only group not accessible from a close parking lot. They are longer, relatively straight fairways with 7 having a hyzer finish to the basket. If you just want to go somewhere that you can be totally by yourself and throw 3 decent up and back holes for a while to work on some things, this is a great spot to do it. One quirk here is that hole 7's tee sign says hole 14 and the next tee arrows point to parts of the course no longer there. If you're playing a round, this is where you walk back to hole 4... Yes, all the way back to hole 4 and then over the bridge to the back 3. The gravel tee pads in this section have long since washed away, can't even tell where 7's should actually be so I just throw from next to the sign (that says 14).

Again, the walk from those 3 holes over to 8, 9 and 10 takes you all the way back to hole 4 to cross a bridge. You are almost at 9's tee (labeled 8) when you cross the bridge, but if you turn right and go past first tee you will find basket 8, keep walking up the fairway and eventually you will come to 8's tee (labeled 7). Whatever you want to number them, these last 3 holes play up a manicured grass fairway with a creek running along the left side.

8 is an anhyzer (rhbh) throw with the pin being about 30' off the fairway to the right in the woods.

Hole 9 has some brush and trees guarding the basket offering a couple of lines depending on which side you want to go around them.

Hole 10 is basically a straight throw/slight anhyzer that finishes very close to a parking lot. Unfortunately, it's not the one you're parked in... You're about ⅔ of a mile from there. I've parked on this side and just played these 3 holes before, but it's a one way walk and not really playable in reverse.

I don't know what this course was like before the other baskets were pulled, I bet it was pretty decent. What they left behind really isn't. There are some nice holes here in a nice park, but the ridiculous amount of walking between holes and after you're done makes it not worth playing. The next closest course to me is more than double the drive that Windlestrae is and yet I never even consider this one when I want to go out and play. Ever. Basically the only time I stop here is when I'm on my way home from the disc store and don't have enough time to get to a real course before dark and I can't wait until the next day to hit trees with my new plastic.
At this point it's been 8 years since this course was put in and probably almost that long since the configuration was changed to the frustrating mess it is now. The "Course Guides" section was recently updated for the first time since then and now says that people are working on the course. YAY! Like I said, some of the holes here are really nice, it's mostly the flow of the course that kills it. The only thing I could see making this a course worth coming to is adding back enough holes to get rid of the 5 minute walks between holes in the middle and not leave players with a 20+ minute walk at the end of their round back to where they parked. There is a new map online showing exactly where the holes are and how far you have to go between them. It doesn't show old hole 7 (8 in the current ten hole form) though. It makes navigation much simpler, but it's still a major hike for a minor course.

In the end, I would love to come here because of how close it is to where I live, but it's so bad I almost never do. Having played 3 actual 1-10 rounds here and throwing at different parts of the course 3 other times over the past 2½ years, I honestly can't imagine coming here to play another round. Might still stop by when I just need to throw at a basket for a few minutes, but even that's pretty doubtful. Did I mention how muddy it can be?
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CZaslav
Experience: 25 years 271 played 6 reviews
0.50 star(s)

needs to be redesigned 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 24, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

very nice park, easy to get there, park has lots of potential. those are all of the pros. First few tee pads were very nice.

Cons:

Horrible signage. This is something that could quickly improve this course. At least proper navigational signage would be a huge improvement. The layout is also a large con. They could have fit at least one if not 2 solid holes between holes 1 and 2.
Fairways are a descent size and you must stay on them or you will have a very long day looking for discs and avoiding poison ivy.

Other Thoughts:

This course was ridiculous from the begginning. Sign at front has map of course that is absolutely useless. First hole is about 150 yards from that sign. First few tee pads are nice made of crushed rocks. Tee signs are average. Hole 1 sign has an arrow pointing into the woods for the next tee. next tee is actually 500 yards down the perimeter of the woods. Whole course is like this. basically just wandering around until you happen on a tee pad. Like others I found hole 8 while looking for 5. I eventually found hole 5 and then happened on a tee sign for hole 15 which was useless. After reading previous reviews I figured that this course could not be as bad as everyone is saying. I quickly found out that they were all correct and that this course is awful.
Here are some directions if it helps anyone.
Hole 1. Directly behind sign in parking lot about 150 yards.
Hole 2. Follow woods until you see tee sign in the distance. Do not enter woods.
Hole 3. Directly right when facing Basket 2
Hole 4. Over bridge
Hole 5. Take bridge to the right of basket 4. Take the first possible path to the right follow path for about 5 minutes until you might happen upon hole 5
Hole 6. To the left around trees from basket .
Hole 7. Not sure this is where I got lost
Hole 8. If you go past the turn off for hole 5 you will end up at tee 8. Go find basket before you throw.
Hole 9. Back to the fairway after hole 8 then is is on the left on the edge of the woods.
To return to the parking lot I had to retrace my steps past baskets 4 - 1
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optidiscic
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Experience: 21.9 years 156 played 149 reviews
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Once, A Fine Idea....Now, A Fine Mess 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 10, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Could fill a serious void in an enormously populated area that is an underserved area for disc golf. Tyler and Sedgely are both crowded courses and 45 minutes to the South.....while Tinicum and the Lehigh Valley Gems are also 45-60 minutes away to the North. Hole #3 is quite a nice hole. Seems to have a chance to be something special with fields, woods, a healthy stream and thousands of potential players in the area who are craving a new course.

Cons:

Confusing Layout! Maybe 9-10 holes. It gets particularly difficult to find your way around after hole #4..Hint don't cross the creek...just go to your right and look for a path. Many of the holes simply utilize a walking trail along a pipeline. It makes for a nice little fairway but the potential for disturbing walkers and neighbors is unlimited here. #1 is a long walk across the athletic fields from the parking lot. There are several long walks between holes and it makes little sense at times, especially with the course ending so far from the start of the course. There are huge expanses of woods, a wonderful stream, some neat little undulations in the woods etc that all could make for first class disc golf. There is even a cedar grove next to hole #2 that is screaming to be made into a tight cedar hole. God Forbid Them! So much wasted potential here.

Other Thoughts:

The neighbors ruined this course out of selfish interests before it could even be finished. Seems they wanted their own private exercise trail and did not want the public dare to use public land! How dare we..oh the nerve. I suggest they look at other local parks like Whispering Falls in tiny Atrium Township or Roland Park in tiny Akron PA or basically 75% of the courses on this site which are well received by disc golfers and the public alike. Basically they chased the original layout out and have pretty much tied the designers hands. A mistake was made when the designers attempted to use existing walking trails and areas near homes.....unfortunately no matter how much the PDGA tries to tell you otherwise the Public does not want to understand disc golf. They never will. For every young politically inactive dude who watches someone play disc golf and will be curious there will be 50 politically active old ladies who are annoyed by it and think it's bad for the environment etc. It is for this reason that courses must be kept away from the public at large. Disc Golf is best played away from dangerous public spaces anyway. It is also better served if it is discovered and introduced to someone through friends and not by the guy who is trying to explain why his Xtra long driver hit somebody's kid in the neck! Sorry bad rant. Seems a few have complained enough to have the course snipped and we are left with an mpotent half course that is very confusing to navigate and enjoy. So sad.I really wish there was a naturalist who could explain that the wide open soccer fields do more environmental damage and cause more noise pollution than any disc golf course will. Oh thats right Soccer Clubs are well organized and funded.
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bwags75
Experience: 2 played 2 reviews
0.50 star(s)

So Confusing 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 8, 2008 Played the course:once

Pros:

Lots of challenging holes

Cons:

This was course number 3 for my brother and I, we were totally lost after hole 3, luckily a local, tom, stumbled upon us and guided us through the rest of the course. We were ready to give up, but were able to get through with the help.

Other Thoughts:

Without better information or a map, maybe it should be shut down until better set up.
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