dkoz
Eagle Member
The 1 thing that really get's me pissed is when I see the same guy winning tourney after tourney yet they wont move up!! Other then that there's really nothing you can do about it!
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I disagree 100%. Playing with people better isn't just a way to get better, it's the best way to get better. You see them do things that you can't do and it makes you wonder "How did they do that? I want to be able to do that."
If you constantly practice bad form/technique by yourself, no one is going to be there to correct you and help you out.
Ah, perhaps I should specify. It certainly helps if the people you play with every day are better. Your local league play, too. But for a few rounds in a tournament? It's not like a sport where you're going up against a better defensive player.
I've seen a lot of players move up, especially to open, and plateau without getting any better, despite playing with better players in tournaments.
I've seen a lot of players stay down, keep playing with the same division and keep getting better. In fact, these are the ones the "sandbagger" complaints are about. How'd they get good enough to be called sandbaggers, if they weren't playing against better players???
Heck, almost everyone I play with is much better than I am---to very little effect on my game!
It's an oft-stated axiom about playing with better players making you better, but when I look at the results of those who do, and those who don't, it's hard to verify. At the tournament level, anyway.
I got called a sand-bagger non stop at my first tournament because I played novice. One of the guys I beat had been playing for 4 years, and the guy that took 2nd had cashed out in novice 3 tournaments that month.
lmao...yea, you have nothing to learn from someone better than you..right
And maybe PER their rating, they aren't sandbaggin, but their rating does not accurately reflect their skill level. It reflects ONE Documented tournament for each of them.
And both my TD's have been callin them sandbaggers (not in a joking way) since they signed up, one of them is a Hall of Famer.
The notion that playing with better players makes you a better player is very very questionable.
The 1 thing that really get's me pissed is when I see the same guy winning tourney after tourney yet they wont move up!! Other then that there's really nothing you can do about it!
The new USDGC format gives the sandbagging problem a while new dimension.
I htink I will go there and play next year. Just gotta get my rating down by 200 or so till then. Then I can go there, shoot some 1000 rated rounds, and be the happy winner.