[Innova] DESTROYER destroyers unite!!

[Casey 1988]

McBeth Destroyers made my arm hurt to throw. They're absolute beef. I know I'm generalizing again here, but out of like 12 McBeth Destroyers I've thrown, maybe 2 had high speed turn. The rest were glideless beef. Good for headwinds, but much shorter than other Destroyers in calm conditions.

Here's my next generalization: I've had 3 Ricky raptor Destroyers so far, and they've all flown the same. Glidey, and true to the numbers.

However, if we've learned anything over the years its that you can't really assume anything with Destroyers. I've thrown a ton of them during that time. I notice trends, but every time I think I have things figured out I'll find a disc that surprises me.

Your best bet when buying a Destroyer is to buy it from a store so you can see/hold the disc. That way you can figure out if it has the characteristics you want. Ordering online you don't know what you're going to get when you open the package.

underline I agree as all plastics of Destroyers have discs in specific runs that defy how that version is going to fly/feel. The only way to buy online is if you get the disc from a online store that takes pictures of the Wing/disc nose and showing the amount of dome.

 

[GoobyPls]

Heads up, 1010discs.com had some of the Halo Star Destroyers available

 

[SaROCaM]

Anyone else find that Pro Destroyers are more consistent than Star? With the Pro Destroyers I have accumulated over the years it seems there has been much less variance compared to Star which is of course all over the place.

Pro plastic for drivers is underrated; Destroyers, Wraiths, Thunderbirds, Valkyries, all are nice flyers in Pro plastic IMO.

 

[Twmccoy]

Anyone else find that Pro Destroyers are more consistent than Star? With the Pro Destroyers I have accumulated over the years it seems there has been much less variance compared to Star which is of course all over the place.

Pro plastic for drivers is underrated; Destroyers, Wraiths, Thunderbirds, Valkyries, all are nice flyers in Pro plastic IMO.

Pro is good at first. In wide rimmed drivers, they suddenly start fipping for no apparent reason. I've had Wraiths do it. The disc won't even appear worn, but it just starts dive bombing right.

I agree there's absolutely no consistency in star Destroyers though.

G* Destroyers are actually underrated and pretty consistent.

 

[Casey 1988]

Pro is good at first. In wide rimmed drivers, they suddenly start fipping for no apparent reason. I've had Wraiths do it. The disc won't even appear worn, but it just starts dive bombing right.

I agree there's absolutely no consistency in star Destroyers though.

G* Destroyers are actually underrated and pretty consistent.

Champion Destroyers are not Xcaliber OS if under 168 grams, they fly right the way they are supposed to most of the time though some feel off with a good dome to flat top middle. Just stay away from the flat edge to dome to flat top as most distance discs they lack any glide in all Champion discs of mold that have this issue happen to them. Taller then average dome for the Destroyer in the Champion take at least Garrett Gurthie/Ricky W power to get going to the right speed or they will be needing that much power to get any distance on the mold in champion.

Problem is that Star is 0% constancy due to about 90% of Pro Innova Sponsored players use the mold so then Innova pumps out the discs probably in about 1 Standard ton of Star plastic each year so yeah the Star Destroyer will very in every single discs it seems never knowing with majority are going to be the same even if you match up an old model as the Star plastic itself varies especially used for the Destroyer. Then Champion the discs vary in feel but for at least 50% they fly right if you stay away from the above 167 grams as the 169 + grams the discs will need Garret Gurthie/Ricky W type power to fly right. This is the same for discs with all Champion Destroyers with high pop top dome needing Garret Gurthie/Ricky W.

 

[Jugular]

What are the expected characteristics of a Star Destroyer 'supposed' to be when thrown flat at 350' power, 400' power and 500' power?

 

[Tinkles]

What are the expected characteristics of a Star Destroyer 'supposed' to be when thrown flat at 350' power, 400' power and 500' power?

i would generally expect this:

• 350 - dead straight to about 275 before fading hard the last 75 feet and finishing 70 feet left of starting line
• 400 - slight drift right about 15 feet before hooking up around 300 feet and finishing 50 feet left of starting line
• 500 - right drift of about 40 feet before hooking up around 400 feet and finishing very close to starting line - at this level of power you are probably seeking out beefier versions

 

[Horsman]

What are the expected characteristics of a Star Destroyer 'supposed' to be when thrown flat at 350' power, 400' power and 500' power?

Too hard to answer this question. It depends more on what destroyer you get. Some will flip at 350ft of power and some wont even flip with 500ft of power.

 

[LateWesternSky]

Too hard to answer this question. It depends more on what destroyer you get. Some will flip at 350ft of power and some wont even flip with 500ft of power.

I've never seen a new star destroyer flip at 350ft of power, regardless of weight. The lighter ones when broken in, sure, but never a new one.

I've probably thrown around 70 destroyers.

 

[Twmccoy]

i would generally expect this:

• 350 - dead straight to about 275 before fading hard the last 75 feet and finishing 70 feet left of starting line
• 400 - slight drift right about 15 feet before hooking up around 300 feet and finishing 50 feet left of starting line
• 500 - right drift of about 40 feet before hooking up around 400 feet and finishing very close to starting line - at this level of power you are probably seeking out beefier versions

I'd agree with this. An average star Destroyer isn't going to turn at 350'. Some of the newer Wysocki Raptor ones will though. I've never thrown a Destroyer 500', but I've gone over 400' with them many, many times.

My favorite star Destroyers sit right in the middle of the stability spectrum. I don't want them flipping, but I want them to turn when I put 400'+ power on them. That said, I've thrown plenty of Destroyers that wouldn't turn at 400'. Usually flat McBeths.

 

[Twmccoy]

I've never seen a new star destroyer flip at 350ft of power, regardless of weight. The lighter ones when broken in, sure, but never a new one.

I've probably thrown around 70 destroyers.

At 350' the closest you'll come to flipping a NEW star Destroyer is a lightweight Wysocki Raptor one. At 400' I can get a bunch of turn out of them.

I haven't quite thrown 70 star Destroyers, probably more like 40-50. Enough to get a pretty good idea what each run will do.

If my max power was 350' I probably wouldn't even throw Destroyers. When you're throwing max distance you want the disc to turn a little and have a full flex flight. 350' max power would be better off with a Tern or something.

 

[Horsman]

I've never seen a new star destroyer flip at 350ft of power, regardless of weight. The lighter ones when broken in, sure, but never a new one.

I've probably thrown around 70 destroyers.

Well I have so I dont know what to tell you other then it all depends on what destroyer you have. Ive seen brand new star destroyers with crazy low plh that do nothing but flip and then you can find the opposite end of the spectrum where you have a crazy high plh destroyer that will never turn.

 

[LateWesternSky]

When you find a new destroyer that does nothing but flip, are they close to max weight? And "nothing but flip" to me implies roller level understable.

No new star destroyer, let's say 168 and above, is a roller when thrown flat with 350 feet of power. Or anywhere close to it for that matter.

PM me whenever you find one. I'll pay you for it.

 

[Jcough]

I have a few Ricky Raptor Destroyers 160-165 that absolutely bomb with 450 feet of power. I throw them with slight hyzer and they fly pretty true to the numbers. They have a nice dome and the rims have air bubbles. Has anyone thrown this years Sockibot, or this years 2x signature stamped ones, to compare to last years Raptors? I'm wondering, if I were to find a 160-165 with air bubbles would it fly like last years Raptors?

 

[BigFlickLuke]

I was playing with an orange 173 Bot stamp today.
Slight dome, but doesn't pop.

The pink 169 raptor I had played around with last year was more under stable, with more turn and slower fade. Had a very slight pop top that would actually make a subtle popping noise.

The Bot today was more like the star destroyers I was throwing in like 08. It was straight, for a distance driver. Some slight natural high speed turn, but with 500 feet of power, I had to put it on an anny angle to get real significant turn. The fade was sharper and stronger than the Raptor if you throw it high, but on a lower line it can still finish mostly straight.

Actually the nicest destroyer I've thrown in years, but I like them pretty straight, with the ability to flex if I want it, but without losing hyzer line trust. I throw forehand and backhand, probably 12:6 tee shot ratio on an otherwise neutral 18.

Hope that helps. Sorry it's only a one disc each run sample size.

 

[Horsman]

No new star destroyer, let's say 168 and above, is a roller when thrown flat with 350 feet of power. Or anywhere close to it for that matter.

Again, destroyers like this exist, I have owned some. Not sure why you cant take the information that I have said as truth. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that there are outliers in every disc from every manufacturer especially when we are talking about Innova

 

[Casey 1988]

Again, destroyers like this exist, I have owned some. Not sure why you cant take the information that I have said as truth. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that there are outliers in every disc from every manufacturer especially when we are talking about Innova

Also are they from the era in which some molds like Road Runner got stamped up as Valkyrie and sold as Valkyrie? If what just said is true, then there is some possibility Some Tern got Stamped up as Destroyers and sold as Destroyer discs.

 

[Horsman]

Also are they from the era in which some molds like Road Runner got stamped up as Valkyrie and sold as Valkyrie? If what just said is true, then there is some possibility Some Tern got Stamped up as Destroyers and sold as Destroyer discs.

Yea, I remember when vulcan topped destroyers starting coming out and everyone hated them, then very quickly after that the teedevil came out which is essentially a vulcan topped destroyer. Coincidence, I think not. Im just trying to point out that just because someone hasnt had the same experience as someone else then that doesnt mean it isnt true. I feel like I come from a place of a lot of knowledge being a high level player for a long time with a love for the game that also has had thousands of discs run thru my hands over the years being involved with Pandamonium. I get to hand pick my personal discs from stacks and stacks of discs so when I see something out of the ordinary, I note it. Im not saying latewesternsky doesnt have a lot of knowledge but combined we have a lot more and we should be working together and sharing information to further everyone's knowledge.

 

[Twmccoy]

Yea, I remember when vulcan topped destroyers starting coming out and everyone hated them, then very quickly after that the teedevil came out which is essentially a vulcan topped destroyer. Coincidence, I think not. Im just trying to point out that just because someone hasnt had the same experience as someone else then that doesnt mean it isnt true. I feel like I come from a place of a lot of knowledge being a high level player for a long time with a love for the game that also has had thousands of discs run thru my hands over the years being involved with Pandamonium. I get to hand pick my personal discs from stacks and stacks of discs so when I see something out of the ordinary, I note it. Im not saying latewesternsky doesnt have a lot of knowledge but combined we have a lot more and we should be working together and sharing information to further everyone's knowledge.

I've thrown a couple of those "Vulcan topped Destroyers". Both were Avery Jenkins models. Not really a fan. They tended to be pretty flat and somewhat glideless and flippy. I've thrown a couple Teedevils too. Like you mention, just like a flat top Destroyer. They weren't terrible, but they weren't great either.

I'll never claim to be a star Destroyer expert, but I've thrown quite a few of them over the years. Frankly, I think proto star Destroyers are still the best. Great flight characteristics and very durable plastic.

I dig the flight of Wysocki Raptor Destroyers, but I'm not crazy about the blizzardy, cheap looking star plastic Innova's been coming out with lately.

 

[LateWesternSky]

Again, destroyers like this exist, I have owned some. Not sure why you cant take the information that I have said as truth. Just keep an open mind to the possibility that there are outliers in every disc from every manufacturer especially when we are talking about Innova

I guess I can't talk about past destroyers since I've only been playing since 2015ish. I'm trying to think of how many different destroyers I've seen thrown before. I'd estimate between 300-500, but who knows. None of the newer and heavier ones have ever been turn and burn flippy with only 350 ft of power.

Molding inconsistency doesn't create outliers as big as that. There would have to be obvious defects in the disc for one to turn and burn with low power. Like I said, PM the next time you find one. I'll put my money where my mouth is.