[Innova] Classic aviar

[thirtydirtybirds]

I've found classics to be pretty range tolerant. They don't act much differently 100'-250' for me. The fade is a tick harder at shorter ranges, but the stability stays pretty much the same. Should be able to really rip in to them if you have more power with good results is my guess.

 

[F.Luke]

Dunno why nobody throws omegas. It's the only "classic" aviar available.

 

[VictorB]

Dunno why nobody throws omegas. It's the only "classic" aviar available.

The classic (or grid stamp) aviar is what we're talking about. Doesn't get much older than those. Omegas weren't around until 10 years later.

 

[kevdiv48]

The classic (or grid stamp) aviar is what we're talking about. Doesn't get much older than those. Omegas weren't around until 10 years later.

And Omegas are small bead whereas current Classics are beadless.

 

[ian.w]

And Omegas are small bead whereas current Classics are beadless.

If you want to go down that road, classic grid stamp aviars used to have small beads as well. So maybe the claim that omegas are as classic as it gets, isn't too far off.

 

[VictorB]

If you want to go down that road, classic grid stamp aviars used to have small beads as well. So maybe the claim that omegas are as classic as it gets, isn't too far off.

But they didn't originally have a bead at all, right? Too long ago for me, I don't know the early history of the mold that well.

 

[Three Putt]

But they didn't originally have a bead at all, right? Too long ago for me, I don't know the early history of the mold that well.

Aviars started with no bead. When I started playing, metalhead Vipers and beadless Aviars were the most sought-after discs around. Then they started messing with the Roc, but that's another thread.

So you had beadless Aviars (mostly with the grid stamp) and then you had big bead and small bead Aviars with the beadless Aviar going OOP. Think late 80's for the time frame of the beaded Aviar, '87-'88ish from what I've been told but it was before my time so that could be fubar. In general the small beads had the Putt and Approach (chains) stamp and the big beads had the grid stamp but I have big bead chains Aviars and small bead grid Aviars so anything is possible.

Then around '01 the big bead was switched to the Aviar X mold with a blunter nose. Around '05ish the Putt and Approach switched to a new beadless mold. All I know for sure from original beadless to new beadless was that those old beadless Aviars came to a sharp end and really didn't feel comfortable in my hand, the new ones are not nearly as sharp and feel a lot better in the hand. All of my friends that still throw the old original beadless Aviars swear they fly differently, but they are throwing 30 year-old thrashed Aviars so what do they know?

*I cannot be held responsible for how many times I misspell "Aviar" in a post with that many Aviars in it.

 

[ian.w]

What he said. I definitely remember the sharper nosed aviars, and I've seen various aviars with various sized beads and noses. I'm gonna go ahead and take everything three-putt says as truth, because he's pretty on point with all of his posts. All I know about classics is that I have seen some beaded ones, and was a little bummed when I learned they switched to beadless, however many years ago that was.

 

[tbird888]

There were some big bead Classics run some time in the second half of the 2000s. At least there were some at my local store around that time when I cracked mine and needed a replacement.

 

[SpikeHyzer]

There were some big bead Classics run some time in the second half of the 2000s. At least there were some at my local store around that time when I cracked mine and needed a replacement.

^^ This is correct ^^ Have one in the disc closet.

I started putting with a Classic Aviar a couple months back while on a business trip(left my putters at home in the practice basket). I ran to Walmart and all they had were Classic Aviars, so I snagged one. I had been putting with P2's, but missing quite a few putts on the left side when around circles edge. After giving the classic a go, I started making quite a bit more of those circles edge putts because of straighter flight.

 

[Three Putt]

There were some big bead Classics run some time in the second half of the 2000s. At least there were some at my local store around that time when I cracked mine and needed a replacement.

Were they big bead or Aviar X mold?

Really any Innova disc thread that says "they did this, then switched to this" is a general guideline since all sorts of stuff that doesn't fit the plan comes out of that plant. They are bound to run just about anything at any time.

 

[tbird888]

Were they big bead or Aviar X mold?

Really any Innova disc thread that says "they did this, then switched to this" is a general guideline since all sorts of stuff that doesn't fit the plan comes out of that plant. They are bound to run just about anything at any time.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you that. I have stared at ADs and A-Xs until I was cross-eyed and couldn't tell the difference. I'm usually pretty good at finding differences, but they look the same to me. I'll try to find mine and snap a profile shot or two. I just know mine have large beads, are in a delightfully firm DX plastic, have the grid stamp, and I bought them in the later part of the 2000s.

 

[brandocommando9]

Honestly, I couldn't tell you that. I have stared at ADs and A-Xs until I was cross-eyed and couldn't tell the difference. I'm usually pretty good at finding differences, but they look the same to me. I'll try to find mine and snap a profile shot or two. I just know mine have large beads, are in a delightfully firm DX plastic, have the grid stamp, and I bought them in the later part of the 2000s.

Sharper nose vs blunt nose. Depending on how ad's cooled they can look pretty close to x's.

 

[Three Putt]

I'm confused now, I thought the AD's were made out of the X mold. I didn't think anything used the big bead mold anymore.

 

[brandocommando9]

I'm confused now, I thought the AD's were made out of the X mold. I didn't think anything used the big bead mold anymore.

Sorry I was speaking about the old aviar drivers which were the original big bead mold. I do believe you are right about the more recent runs they are x molds.

 

[brandocommando9]

I've only seen the old big bead mold in car disc for the past few years.

 

[Three Putt]

I've never really paid attention to the Aviar Driver since it wasn't a new disc. It was just a branding thing for Star plastic to differentiate the Star P & A's from what I assumed were Star Aviar X's. I always thought they were all Aviar X's since they came out so long after the X mold came out, but anything is possible in Innova.

 

[Three Putt]

Honestly, I couldn't tell you that. I have stared at ADs and A-Xs until I was cross-eyed and couldn't tell the difference. I'm usually pretty good at finding differences, but they look the same to me. I'll try to find mine and snap a profile shot or two. I just know mine have large beads, are in a delightfully firm DX plastic, have the grid stamp, and I bought them in the later part of the 2000s.

If you compare that big bead Classic to a KC Aviar (10X or later) and they have the same nose profile, they will both be Aviar X's. The old big bead mold nose wasn't as squared off as the Aviar X. It's pretty easy to notice.

Hell, I don't even know if it is possible for Innova to make old big bead Aviars anymore. I would have assumed they retooled the mold to make the Aviar X back in '00 or '01. I guess the proof would be those big bead Omega's they made. If those were just Aviar X's I'd assume that the old big bead Aviar mold is long gone. I just was never able to conclusively have anyone tell me if those were X molds or not.

 

[brandocommando9]

I'm confused now, I thought the AD's were made out of the X mold. I didn't think anything used the big bead mold anymore.

I have an old big bead aviar that is marked aviar driver on the bottom. So I've always viewed the old big bead as the aviar driver.

 

[brandocommando9]

A friend of mine has been putting with omegas for probably 25 years if not longer and has a huge collection of them, has runs of omegas in the old big bead mold marked omega driver. Probably another reason I've always associated the old big bead mold with the aviar driver moniker.