long straight throws with mid-range

[mufan]

Hi,
I've played in some tournaments lately and have seen some guys throw really long straight throws with mid ranges.......no fade at the end. When I try that the instability of the mid range makes it crash right (RBH). Of course, I can use a more stable mid-range but it fades at the end. Is there a technique/release to make this shot?

To me it looks like the better RBH players almost release the disc on a downward stroke.....for instance it is not a horizontal to the ground start and release but they start a little high and release and release it a little lower than where they start, on a downward plane? is this conventional?

thanks,
joe

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Hey Joe-- Its called a Hyzer Flip'

a less over-stable disc will generally turn over to the right for a higher power throw. Adding hyzer to the release angle allows the disc to travel straight as it rides up to flat vs turn over and also diminishes fade.

check out this article-- https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/angles.shtml

III. Utilizing Nose Angles in Conjunction with Hyzer Angles

 

[mmblink86]

i've noticed this downward motion as well, mostly on flat or downslope surfaces. in practice, it helps with nose angle and generates lift with the style of disc needed for the shot.

most people prefer a beat neutral mid in base plastic for this. out of the box, a tp warship is nice as well

 

[hk chef]

Throw a Legacy Gauge and you will get those results

 

[AndyJB]

Really any midrange but for the most overstable ones can achieve that shot. There are several "classic" discs like the Buzzz and a worn Roc that can be thrown flat to get those laser beam shots. Conversely, there are other molds, both old and new that can be hyzer flipped for later beams like the Stingray, Fuse, Tangent, Buzzz SS and Tursas just to name a few.

But all In all, it's more technique than disc. Good players can pull off that shot with darn near any disc. If you watch some tourney footage on YouTube, you can see a lot of top players pulling that shot off. Paul McBeth has that shot down like no one else.

 

[eegor]

I purchased a used star Coyote that will fly straight and land flat for me when powered down to about 70%. A Warship or Core will fly this way for me with a little hyzer flip at full power.

It might be the case of finding the right disc for you and your personal style.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

no its definitely about technique-- the right disc to learn this would be a super understable disc (sonic/lid etc) and making it fly a pure hyzer line. That same release can be applied to a higher power midrange shot in order to get long lazer hyzer flips or shots which turn over late in the flight.

Which discs doesn't matter at all as long as its slower and on the less overstable side of the stability world-- with a good hyzer flip they all fly straight.

 

[keltik]

depends on the disc. The Buzzz forced everyone to redo their midrange lineup. you just throw the Buzzz flat and it goes straight. If you throw it harder it goes farther. There were years where the argument was Roc vs Buzzz. I think we have moved past that now.

other discs you have to really manipulate the line to get them to go far and straight. Hyzer flip is one manipulation.

 

[knettles]

Hi,
I've played in some tournaments lately and have seen some guys throw really long straight throws with mid ranges.......no fade at the end. When I try that the instability of the mid range makes it crash right (RBH). Of course, I can use a more stable mid-range but it fades at the end. Is there a technique/release to make this shot?

To me it looks like the better RBH players almost release the disc on a downward stroke.....for instance it is not a horizontal to the ground start and release but they start a little high and release and release it a little lower than where they start, on a downward plane? is this conventional?

thanks,
joe

You're relatively new on here, but you'll hear some people from time to time use the term "OAT". It stands for "off axis torque", but put more simply means how smooth you can throw a disc. Those guys you see throwing mids on real straight lines with minimal fade are able to release the disc cleanly on their intended angle. This is basically just one of those the more you research and practice, the better you get things. I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but if you haven't done much searching yet, the best places to find tips on form are here, discgolfreview.com, and youtube. Be careful on youtube tho, there are some videos with rather bad (and hilarious) information.

 

[Mike C]

Taking what's said one step further, here are some videos that will give you more information on OAT and throwing mids far.




The Tangent is slightly understable, so its a good disc to use to show how clean release will make a mid fly straight, even past 150'-300' which is where most people throw a mid.

 

[tylerc]

I think hyzer flipping a slightly understable mid is the straightest (z comet)but usually I just throw a worn in z wasp because I can throw it flat and it just goes straight. I would suggest getting a broken in mid that will hold turning right the entire flight thrown flat and throw that on a hyzer flip. but if u feel more consistent throwing a disc perfectly flat I would suggest a z or esp buzz, although esp ones are easier to make go straight.

 

[DiscFifty]

For straight or left to right shots (rhbh) I throw a Westside Tursas (mid range). It flies level and lands level. For every so slightly left to hard left, I throw a Buzzz SS or regular Buzzz on a slight hyzer release. Between those 3 discs, I can pretty much cover any line from 280ft in.

 

[Olorin]

-Use a tuned in DX Roc. When a DX Rocs gets worked in just right it goes from overstable to perfectly straight. A tuned roc is a disc of beauty, but it will eventually get more beat and shift to understable. A Buzzz should also work, but in my experience they have more fade at the end.
-If you have the right midrange disc I bet you can throw a straight shot right now. Just throw it low and flat. If you can keep it about 8-10 ft off the ground a tuned roc or a putter will fly straight.

Try this experiment: don't even use a run up and try not to turn you head much on your reach back. From a standstill throw a flat tuned midrange with low to medium power. It should go straight for you. For better results start doing this with a putter. Depending on your power it will go various distances. Even if it only goes 50 ft you can throw a straight shot like this. Then gradually increase the power of your throw until they start to fade left. Just keep adding more and more power but still keeping it straight. To get it farther you will eventually have to increase the height of the throw.

The reason the top guns can throw long straight shots is because they have so much power to throw really far. I'm sure some are using hyzer flips too. But I have friend who can throw a putter on a straight line about 300 ft because he can throw a driver about 420'.

I don't know your average distance (in the real world; not internet length) but I bet you can already throw a straight midrange of some length. Even if it is only 100 ft (~40 paces). If they keep dying to the left then keep decreasing the height of your throw. As a last resort, if you only have a disc that is overstable for you then release it with a little annie (tilt the left side up for RHBH).

I hope this makes sense. I'm curious to see if it works for you, so please let us know.

 

[eegor]

no its definitely about technique-- the right disc to learn this would be a super understable disc (sonic/lid etc) and making it fly a pure hyzer line. That same release can be applied to a higher power midrange shot in order to get long lazer hyzer flips or shots which turn over late in the flight.

Which discs doesn't matter at all as long as its slower and on the less overstable side of the stability world-- with a good hyzer flip they all fly straight.

I agree with you that, with good technique, these types of shots can be made with all but the most overstable of midrange discs. I don't agree that you can't find the right disc to perform this shot with what talent the OP has now.

Many moons ago, I used to throw a DX Panther for this shot. That old disc, that I miss very much, would be an easy turnover disc for me now. The point is, there is a disc made (after all there's 20 different midranges offered by Innova alone - not to mention the different plastics) that can suit your present abilities and style. There's no way anyone could tell you which one on an internet forum.

 

[mopar]

To me it looks like the better RBH players almost release the disc on a downward stroke.....for instance it is not a horizontal to the ground start and release but they start a little high and release and release it a little lower than where they start, on a downward plane? is this conventional?

This sort of sounds like he is describing an air bounce...he is not talking about an anny

 

[mattdabbs]

There is something to learning to match the power you throw to the particular disc with the right form. That combination, IMO, is what gets a line drive shot with a mid. If you know your disc, you can learn the right release and power to put on it to make it go pretty straight. Some discs won't do that very well but many will. I use a Buzzz for that shot and pull it off consistently. I have been throwing that buzzz for years.

 

[IHearChains]

-Use a tuned in DX Roc. When a DX Rocs gets worked in just right it goes from overstable to perfectly straight. A tuned roc is a disc of beauty, but it will eventually get more beat and shift to understable. A Buzzz should also work, but in my experience they have more fade at the end.

I agree the tuned Rocs produce some magical flights. But if you have to spend a few weeks/months/years to get the DX Roc tuned in perfectly before you can even learn how to throw this shot, that's just not very user-friendly to newer players. And once you put in all that work to tune it perfectly, do you use it on water hazards or woods? What good is it if you can't risk losing it or upsetting its perfect tune by whacking trees?

Buzzz SS and Buzzz and Wasp and Hornet cover all that straight Roc territory for various wind conditions and various amounts of hyzer. And they fly properly when brand new. Very similar grip on all of them. Easy to learn, easy to replace.

 

[Jay Dub]

Cobra with a slight hyzer angle release.

 

[Puckstopper]

I have 3 different mids I throw for the shot described. If I want a hyzer flip I throw an X Comet. This is the longest flying mid I have, but the least accurate. I also throw a Buzzz flat and hard and usually see minimal fade at the end. If I have to throw it a little more gently I throw it with a bit of anhyzer and turn it into a flex shot. Finally I have a Mako in my bag that is pretty much a dead nuts straight flyer out to 250' or so for me. I tend not to throw the Mako for straight shots as I don't really trust it yet and would rather flex a Buzzz.

 

[Puckstopper]

I agree the tuned Rocs produce some magical flights. But if you have to spend a few weeks/months/years to get the DX Roc tuned in perfectly before you can even learn how to throw this shot, that's just not very user-friendly to newer players. And once you put in all that work to tune it perfectly, do you use it on water hazards or woods? What good is it if you can't risk losing it or upsetting its perfect tune by whacking trees?

These very valid points are among the many reasons I believe that the Roc is the most over-rated disc in disc golf. It is NOT a bad disc, it just isn't worth the hype that surrounds it.