What is a Championship level course

[biscoe]

I would say that Hawk Hollow is a Championship level course...that course kicks everyone's butt!

The holes are championship caliber for sure. IMO it is a bit rough around the edges for me to apply the term to it. Thanks though.

 

[Steve West]

I like the idea of it being designated as shooting course par is a 1000 rated round. That would be a pretty tough course! ...

Or, it could be an easy course with fairly accurately set Gold level par on the tee signs.

(A true gold-level par that follows the definition in the rules would result in about a 1020 rated round. But, that's another thread.)

 

[CFaberlle]

Or, it could be an easy course with fairly accurately set Gold level par on the tee signs.

(A true gold-level par that follows the definition in the rules would result in about a 1020 rated round. But, that's another thread.)

I think it should be this way, if it's a championship course the Pros should have to throw 1000 - 1020 to be even with the course.

I know the Aussie Open course was supposed to be a 1000 rated par course and the Pros still shot very low scores.

 

[biscoe]

there are VERY few courses which meet that criteria

 

[Steve West]

I think it should be this way, if it's a championship course the Pros should have to throw 1000 - 1020 to be even with the course.

I know the Aussie Open course was supposed to be a 1000 rated par course and the Pros still shot very low scores.

They actually did a really good job with setting par at the 1000 rated level. If they had had the courage to call 17 and 18 the par 2's that they were (because most 1000-rated players expect to get a 2), they would have nailed it.

Not only that, but the scoring spread widths seemed to be optimized at the 1000 rating.

Of course, some pros are rated higher than 1000, so they will score lower.

 

[JC17393]

I think it should be this way, if it's a championship course the Pros should have to throw 1000 - 1020 to be even with the course.

I know the Aussie Open course was supposed to be a 1000 rated par course and the Pros still shot very low scores.

Even if "par" is set to match SSA (1000-rated), a 1040-rated player playing to his average is going to shoot anywhere from 4-6 throws under par just by shooting his average. Factor in playing above one's average (1060-1070+) and you're talking anywhere from 6-10 throws under par.

So it should come as no surprise that Paul, Simon, Ricky, Nate, and Dave shot between 6 and 10 shots under per round at the Aussie Open.

 

[ejvogie]

Winthrop Gold

No. Any course that requires miles of rope to create artificial OB is not championship caliber. Find more suitable land.

 

[coupe]

"Gold level" course does not need pro shop but to be considered a Championship course, it "should" have some key amenities.

Why?

General media comes to see a "Championship" course and there's no one attending it with no HQ building such Idlewild? Doesn't make sense.

When the general media start showing up to see courses, you might have a legitimate argument. Until then, amenities are irrelevant.

 

[Cgkdisc]

I would propose using "Championship" in the following ways:

Championship Targets: Already defined by PDGA.

Championship Tee Pads: Pretty well defined as roughened concrete at least 5x12, artificial turf (Europe) or rubber mats done well (Maple Hill).

Championship Design: Pertains to the hole designs and routing plus has been evaluated, and ideally tested, to challenge the intended skill level, which doesn't have to be gold. Does not require either Championship baskets and/or tee pads but helps credibility. Can be temporary like USDGC.

Championship Caliber (course): Incorporates all of the elements above. Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Course: Championship Caliber course with amenities suitable for hosting events such as good parking, consistent maintenance, tournament HQ building and pro shop, likely pay to play or at least "pay to get in the park". Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Venue: Site with more than one Championship Course with facilities to handle major events ideally with hi speed internet, good cell reception and eventually sitewide WiFi.

 

[Chainsgoching]

I would propose using "Championship" in the following ways:

Championship Targets: Already defined by PDGA.

Championship Tee Pads: Pretty well defined as roughened concrete at least 5x12, artificial turf (Europe) or rubber mats done well (Maple Hill).

Championship Design: Pertains to the hole designs and routing plus has been evaluated, and ideally tested, to challenge the intended skill level, which doesn't have to be gold. Does not require either Championship baskets and/or tee pads but helps credibility. Can be temporary like USDGC.

Championship Caliber (course): Incorporates all of the elements above. Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Course: Championship Caliber course with amenities suitable for hosting events such as good parking, consistent maintenance, tournament HQ building and pro shop, likely pay to play or at least "pay to get in the park". Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Venue: Site with more than one Championship Course with facilities to handle major events ideally with hi speed internet, good cell reception and eventually sitewide WiFi.

That's what I was saying...except for the clubhouse and wifi. Jarva Disc Golf Park comes to mind here

 

[biscoe]

I would propose using "Championship" in the following ways:

Championship Targets: Already defined by PDGA.

Championship Tee Pads: Pretty well defined as roughened concrete at least 5x12, artificial turf (Europe) or rubber mats done well (Maple Hill).

Championship Design: Pertains to the hole designs and routing plus has been evaluated, and ideally tested, to challenge the intended skill level, which doesn't have to be gold. Does not require either Championship baskets and/or tee pads but helps credibility. Can be temporary like USDGC.

Championship Caliber (course): Incorporates all of the elements above. Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Course: Championship Caliber course with amenities suitable for hosting events such as good parking, consistent maintenance, tournament HQ building and pro shop, likely pay to play or at least "pay to get in the park". Ideally permanent facility but can be temporary.

Championship Venue: Site with more than one Championship Course with facilities to handle major events ideally with hi speed internet, good cell reception and eventually sitewide WiFi.

i would propose not using a term in any "official" fashion that is already so widely misused.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Maybe not yet, but something along these lines will be developed in the next five years.

 

[Chainsgoching]

Or if I ever win the lottery

 

[Jukeshoe]

pro shop= unimportant.

2nd this emotion.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Clubhouse is probably a better term which wouldn't have to include a pro shop but likely would do so.

 

[New013]

No. Any course that requires miles of rope to create artificial OB is not championship caliber. Find more suitable land.

so all the artificial OB on championship golf courses completely screws them? i'm not a fan of ropes either but at least use some common sense.

 

[Dave242]

In my mind, "Championship" differentiates from "Recreational" in that it is designed for the sport of disc golf.

A Championship Course should, appropriately for the skill level whom is competing for a championship, reward well executed throws and punish for poorly executed throws.

A course that punishes appropriately for poor play should feel like a beat-down when intended lines are not being hit.

That's my .02 expounding on the most important point Chuck makes:

Championship Design: Pertains to the hole designs and routing plus has been evaluated, and ideally tested, to challenge the intended skill level, which doesn't have to be gold.

 

[heartman]

Championship Venue: Site with more than one Championship Course with facilities to handle major events ideally with hi speed internet, good cell reception and eventually sitewide WiFi.

definitely need that sitewide wifi so that pros can register for other events in the middle of a tourney because the TD decided to open registration at 1pm on a Sat.

 

[Dave242]

That's lame....true Professionals should have their agents take care of those details.

 

[heartman]

That's lame....true Professionals should have their agents take care of those details.

I should be an agent for pro disc golfers ... there's probably "literally 4's of dollars" to be made doing it