kmelton
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Why the huge points jump requirement for Am Worlds 2017? 2016 MM1 was 250pts. 2017 MM1 750 pts.
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Big Points Requirement Jump for Am Worlds 2017
- Thread starter kmelton
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I'm guessing it has everything to do with the fact that the smaller divisions like FA1 and MM1 filled in less than 10 mins for this years worlds. Also the fact that they invited over 8000 people this year and only had 576 spots available.
Raising the points minimums shouldn't come as a surprise given how many folks qualified and how quickly Worlds filled the last couple years.
Raising the points minimums halfway through the season in which they're to be earned is a big giant fail (for the second time in three years).
Some of this has already been discussed in another thread, though.
Raising the points minimums halfway through the season in which they're to be earned is a big giant fail (for the second time in three years).
Some of this has already been discussed in another thread, though.
DirtyMeathook
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Agree on the reasoning, as well as on it being a epic failure. People have planned their whole summer around playing a certain number of events in an effort to earn enough points for worlds. Some, like myself, may have even played an extra event or two that they otherwise would not have played, and now it will be a wasted effort.
PDGA just sits back and rakes tournament entries without providing much of any kind of service, or adding any value. Then, when it suits them, they just crap on their clientele (card carrying disc golfers).
This should have been the points thresholds on Jan 1, or this change shouldn't take place until 2018.
At the very least, they should use the old minimums for a second tier threshold, if for some reason the new ones don't fill the event.
At the very least, they should use the old minimums for a second tier threshold, if for some reason the new ones don't fill the event.
Improbably
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I won't be running a PDGA event till they pay me to do it!
ScottyLove
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Run a C-tier... keep 15% of the entry fees. You just got paid.
chosenmatrix
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Agree..... I am going to have to kick things into gear to make that 1500, and in an area that has brutal winters, I only have about 2-3 months of tourney play left.
Look on the bright side. If you do reach the threshold, the invite you receive will be much more meaningful.
Fortunately, for almost all of us, a lot of other people will.
BionicRib
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For those of us who like to plan ahead this is a problem. There is no way to make it perfect, but it would be nice to know at the beginning of the year if any changes are going to be made. Sadly because of these late changes I see no need to renew my membership this year or next.
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Future_Primitive
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100% agreed. It was a giant failure the first time the idiots running the PDGA did this. Then to do it again and learn absolutely nothing from the first time definitely qualifies this as an epic failure by PDGA "leadership". Or maybe this is Brian Graham's plan, just piss off half of your membership base to have them not renew, then more spots are available for Worlds.
Not sure who I am voting for but I am very sure of who I am not voting for. :thmbdown:
Improbably
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I'd have no problem running ADGT events if they paid me up front, but that's very very unlikely.
Improbably
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I don't want a cut from the entry fees. I want money from the PDGAs pockets; it's the principle of the thing.
Again very very unlikely.
lyleoross
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The reason that the invite level was set where it was initially is because that is where the membership and audience was. There weren't enough truly skilled players to make the events that selective. The intent of the PDGA has always been to make the top tier events as selective as possible. I still remember the criticisms from ten years ago that they'd let anyone play.... If the notion is that the PDGA is supposed to serve everyone, and make an event for everyone, I'm going to disagree. Their job, as per the requests of the membership, is to build the Pro game. That means being selective and pushing for better players to rise up and play the top events. I understand that people feel excluded, I know that I feel excluded that I can't play for Tottenham, but that is just the way life is.
I'm pretty sure the transition from a sport that could be all inclusive to one that selects top level players is going to be painful and accompanied with much whinning, but unless the membership decides they want the PDGA to be something other than what they've always voted it to be, that is going to happen.
PDGA fees are a more difficult question. Belonging to the PGA isn't open to everyone so people don't complain that their fees are being used to support players other than themselves. Low level ball golfers get to pay their local club and feel their money comes right back to them. On the other hand, no one is forced to join the PDGA. There are alternative routes to play, leagues etc., that don't impose that PDGA fee. I know many players who take that route. I am curious to see how the transition to a more selective game is going to impact PDGA membership. Personally, I like belonging and I'm never going to qualify for any major. I feel I'm helping to grow the sport and the price is worth it to me.
I'm pretty sure the transition from a sport that could be all inclusive to one that selects top level players is going to be painful and accompanied with much whinning, but unless the membership decides they want the PDGA to be something other than what they've always voted it to be, that is going to happen.
PDGA fees are a more difficult question. Belonging to the PGA isn't open to everyone so people don't complain that their fees are being used to support players other than themselves. Low level ball golfers get to pay their local club and feel their money comes right back to them. On the other hand, no one is forced to join the PDGA. There are alternative routes to play, leagues etc., that don't impose that PDGA fee. I know many players who take that route. I am curious to see how the transition to a more selective game is going to impact PDGA membership. Personally, I like belonging and I'm never going to qualify for any major. I feel I'm helping to grow the sport and the price is worth it to me.
lyleoross
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Wait, are we talking taxes? I don't want to pay my taxes, but I want the governmint to do lots for me.... It's America after all! I know that isn't what you are saying so pardon my tounge in cheek. Why do you want or feel that the PDGA should give you something out of their pockets? What do you think they're doing with that money such that it would be better going to you? Just curious.
Future_Primitive
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Not sure what the Pro game has to do with AM World's Invite system. I also don't give a crap whatever the point threshold is set at, my only concern is that whatever point level they want to implement be set at the beginning of the year. Set it at 3,000 pts for all I care, but do it so every paying member of the PDGA knows exactly what point level they need to hit if their goal is to play in AM Worlds.
Telling players that the point threshold is 250 pts for 6 months or half the PDGA season, then changing it in July to 750 pts is not serving anybody. This is piss poor leadership, pick a number and live with it for the season. When Worlds is over in July review how many invites were sent, how many got it and then come up with the new number for the 2017 season. Messing this up twice in 3 years is an epic failure on the PDGA's part.
At the amateur level, I don't know if this is what the players want, so much as necessary restructuring because of what the players want. Which is, namely, to play AmWorlds.
It was fine when it was open to everyone and anyone who wanted to play could, and a couple of hundred people would. Now that the sport has grown and demand exceeds capacity, the choice is to tighten the invite standards or have a free-for-all registration rush every year.
At least now an invite may mean that you're invited and can accept, rather than just a sort of raffle ticket to join an online frenzy in hopes of getting in. Which is where we were headed.
In my opinion they're doing the right thing, in the worst possible way---mid-season. Definitely should have been done at the start of the year.
