Critic this is back

[sidewinder22]

I think this will really help. Looks like you are trying to sit into your front leg instead of rear leg. You might need some more space than your hallway, I think your butt should almost hit the wall. Might also help to try and hit the wall with your butt going over front foot/front leg dangling/not completing stride like Hershyzer.

You need to move/walk your rear foot closer to target so that your front leg/hip/knee/heel get pulled up off the ground from the door frame pulling you back thru the shoulder/arm from rear leg/foot driving forward. Play around with rear foot placement and see how it changes how much leverage you get against the door frame and how it turns/pulls you further back thru the whole body. The door frame is pulling my whole front side up off the ground and back as I leverage forward on rear leg. If the door frame could keep pulling me back my front leg would get pulled back into x-step/hershyzer.

Note how it looks more like I throw a punch back away from target to top of backswing. Also note my width of stance is fairly narrow as my center of mass is closer to rear foot and front foot should be almost striding/gliding more in drill and not really planted or supporting anything yet until hand releases.

 

[lucasgg]

Still feels like I'm missing something but here is ver 2

https://youtu.be/0MTYXzFACuo

https://youtu.be/vhfh5QtuGTk

And a full swing for yolos

https://youtu.be/R11amnzvTiA

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[sidewinder22]

Note how your head is behind your ankle and shoulder, so your rear foot is too far away from door frame and causing you to collapse or fold back over your rear hip. Note how my rear knee and head are leveraged forward of ankle and shoulder pulled back behind head.

I think your rear foot is also too far inside to right of door frame, should be closer inline to front foot/door frame/front shoulder. It looks like you are attempting a wide reachback instead of straight line force from rear foot to front shoulder. When you drop your center is moving more to the right instead of straight. Your rear knee should be more inside toward toes when you drive/push from the rear instep/toes, so shin should be slightly more angled \ instead of / or l.

 

[lucasgg]

https://youtu.be/-ZxNG8p6MjI

https://youtu.be/cu6LI50sPkQ

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[sidewinder22]

How does it feel? Looks better from what I can see, might be a going a little too fast for drill. It helps to really slow it down and play around with rear foot placement leveraging your butt/weight against the door frame.

 

[lucasgg]

makes me feel really heavy yet agile and like I could suddenly leap out of the doorframe. This time I suddenly realized that I needed to place the first step in the middle or just past the doorframe which actually allowed me to get closer to the doorframe laterally which allowed me to get more leverage from the rear foot and helped everything else line up much better.

I was doing this from a stand still (not pictured) and felt pretty good. I really think I need to x-step around this doorframe because it just doesn't connect if I don't.

EDIT: I also turned my hat backwards so I could get closer to the doorframe

 

[lucasgg]

After doing the doorframe drill almost daily I made almost no progress [emoji23]https://youtu.be/NdvIQeedQZk

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[lucasgg]

Additional from the rear

https://youtube.com/shorts/WFJ5dhSM7aU

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[sidewinder22]

What is it going to take to get you braced and tilted back on the front leg axis to throw out away from you?

 

[lucasgg]

I need less space between my feet at plant.

Then swing something heavy.

Then keep a tilted spiral with my left side braced into or against my right side.

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[lucasgg]

https://youtu.be/yko3Gmh8Ckw

 

[sidewinder22]

Swing wide out full extension to the hit/apex with everything still slightly closed. Looks like your full extension is either aiming straight down at the ground or going out the window 90 degrees to your right. You don't need to swing hard at all, just address the hit like you would getting ready to pound a nail sideways into wall, then draw back from the hit. If you do this in slow motion you should feel how your arm needs to be leveraged more underneath the weight to toss it out to target.

Note how my elbow is still bent/leading in first pic. Maximum moment/lever arm in second pic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xfv9jPqZs#t=8m26s
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132910
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134415

 

[sidewinder22]

https://www.facebook.com/tiffani.munsey/videos/10215015528380852/

 

[azplaya25]

For the hammer/heavy item swing drill to be effective, I have to actually throw it don't I?

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Not sure if this will help, but here's what worked for me. I spent months trying to throw the hammer like a disc as Sidewinder mentioned above, trying to throw it really hard and muscle it out there.

I revisited the "hammer pound" thread from Blake T, and started trying to do some of the drills with a hammer instead of a disc. That was the light bulb for me.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19220

I found the lever drill particularly effective with a hammer. If you do exactly what he's describing with a hammer instead of a disc, you'll feel how your arm/wrist/ thumb just naturally leverage the disc out to the right side of your body. Just swinging your shoulder and leading with the handle and it just happens like magic.

Part 4 Faliure #3: The Lever

Grip the disc like you are holding a steering wheel with 1 hand, leaned back, and trying to look cool while cruising. Your hand should be at 12 o'clock with the majority of your palm on top of the disc. Your fingers will be curled under and onto the rim wall, intersecting the rim at ~90 degrees. The disc should be pretty much perpendicular to the forearm and seam of the hand. This isn't a drill meant for throwing, just for establishing a feel.

Lean forward slightly and dangle your arm in front of you with your arm straight until you are holding the disc at about mid-thigh height (it will vary based upon your arm length). The disc should be between your hand and your body. Slowly rock your right shoulder back and forth letting your arm and the disc pendulum back and forth in a completely relaxed manner. Gradually increase the distance the pendulum travels to the right side. As you pass beyond the right side of your body and get a ways away, you should notice that your hand naturally rotates from being on the far edge of the disc (opposite from your body) to the right edge of the disc. As you build this feel start to use a quicker shoulder motion to the right and pull around the disc so that your hand turns around the disc to the near edge of the disc. Push with your thumb as you pull through the turn.

You should feel the edge of the disc opposite your grip being "levered" out and around. Do this a few times to build the feel.

 

[navel]

Not sure if this will help, but here's what worked for me. I spent months trying to throw the hammer like a disc as Sidewinder mentioned above, trying to throw it really hard and muscle it out there.

I revisited the "hammer pound" thread from Blake T, and started trying to do some of the drills with a hammer instead of a disc. That was the light bulb for me.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19220

I found the lever drill particularly effective with a hammer. If you do exactly what he's describing with a hammer instead of a disc, you'll feel how your arm/wrist/ thumb just naturally leverage the disc out to the right side of your body. Just swinging your shoulder and leading with the handle and it just happens like magic.

Part 4 Faliure #3: The Lever

Grip the disc like you are holding a steering wheel with 1 hand, leaned back, and trying to look cool while cruising. Your hand should be at 12 o'clock with the majority of your palm on top of the disc. Your fingers will be curled under and onto the rim wall, intersecting the rim at ~90 degrees. The disc should be pretty much perpendicular to the forearm and seam of the hand. This isn't a drill meant for throwing, just for establishing a feel.

Lean forward slightly and dangle your arm in front of you with your arm straight until you are holding the disc at about mid-thigh height (it will vary based upon your arm length). The disc should be between your hand and your body. Slowly rock your right shoulder back and forth letting your arm and the disc pendulum back and forth in a completely relaxed manner. Gradually increase the distance the pendulum travels to the right side. As you pass beyond the right side of your body and get a ways away, you should notice that your hand naturally rotates from being on the far edge of the disc (opposite from your body) to the right edge of the disc. As you build this feel start to use a quicker shoulder motion to the right and pull around the disc so that your hand turns around the disc to the near edge of the disc. Push with your thumb as you pull through the turn.

You should feel the edge of the disc opposite your grip being "levered" out and around. Do this a few times to build the feel.

I have tried to understand Blake T's drills and explanations from time to time, but it gets a bit overwhelming to me, and confusing.
If anyone would like to do an updated 2021 version of the drills with a video I would be thrilled. It doesn't have to be much more than videos in better quality really. Anyone?

 

[azplaya25]

I mean this is basically the 2021 version in my opinion. The problem with the drills is it's really easy to do them wrong and then people are just out there strong arming hurting their elbows etc. I keep going back to this video, I just use a hammer instead of a machete, but he's explaining exactly what Blake was trying to get people to feel with those drills.

https://youtu.be/ZJ4pxndBpJ4

 

[lucasgg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CD4HA83j6w

 

[sidewinder22]

Need to start going targetward much earlier in the backswing. You are shifting your body back together with your arm to the top of the backswing instead of a counter motion, and then you are trying to rotate from your rear foot and spinning out and have no lateral move/shift "from behind" that should have occurred earlier.

 

[lucasgg]

I've needed that second video my whole discgolf "career". Getting the feeling of counter balancing the weight attached to the arm *before* the weight peaks feels so much more natural and leverage"full". The feeling also reminds of some of the pros who described a "stretching" or "be like a rubber band" in the swing forward.

I finally got to try this in the field and with a standstill I was getting mids consistently to ~280-300. I'm getting the feeling I'm close to implementing this counterbalance completely and overcoming a plateau.

Vid coming sometime in the future

 

[sidewinder22]