ALL Mach baskets should be outlawed in pro tournaments!

[SD86]

The chainouts and spitouts that occurred during the Memorial was brutal. Players would hit the dead center of the chains, only to see their disc kicked back out by those Mach baskets. I don't care if it's Mach-2, Mach-5, Mach-X,Y, or Z... what happened at the Memorial was ridiculous.

Philo had an ace.. right in the basket... and that mach basket spit it back out. Other baskets would've held it for the rightful ace. I think it was Jessica Weese that poured one in from a good distance out, aroud a blockading tree... and it bounced right off those Mach chains.

So I'm calling upon and begging the DGPT and other pro tournaments to not use Mach baskets, to put up temp baskets on parks like Fountain Hills that have them, and to just make the point that good shots should be rewarded, not f--ed over by ridiculous baskets.

 

[scarpfish]

Ahh, first world problems.

 

[Martin Dewgarita]

Cones could solve your problem. Never chain out again.

 

[Consult20]

Mach 5's and 10's are pretty solid catchers, and the players voted for the 10's. The wind was probably partly to blame, and of course user error.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

So two shots from distance that may or may not have stayed in on any other basket necessitate replacing all of the Mach baskets that may ever be used at a tournament venue?

Uh, okay.

 

[Noill]

there were a lot of big putts that did stick....

not sure if a different basket would have made all the much of a difference...

 

[Broken Shoulder]

Every basket has its peculiarities. You learn to play on them accordingly.
Whining about it just makes you a whiner.

 

[Cgkdisc]

The problem is not with Mach baskets specifically. They defined our sport from the beginning as to the amount of flukiness to expect when striking them. All other Championship baskets have similar levels of flukiness because we do not use a radially uniform target like a hole in ball golf or our early saucer cones which were closer to radial uniformity but suffered some other design flaws. So we live with our current chain basket designs going forward to maintain historical continuity or redesign the target to be radially uniform among other things where chains may not even be part of the design.

 

[ohtobediscing]

Disillusioned...traumatized.......quitting disc golf...goodbye, cruel world. :gross:

 

[Halcón]

Every time a discussion about baskets comes up, I see a day when the governing body of our sport (it may or may not be the PDGA at that point) decides to approve a single target as the choice for championship level play.

 

[ranger]

Every time a discussion about baskets comes up, I see a day when the governing body of our sport (it may or may not be the PDGA at that point) decides to approve a single target as the choice for championship level play.

That makes sense. Seems like we are at least a decade away from that happening tho.

 

[Noill]

don't get rid of chains! That ching is something to live for


anyway, if you hit the side you may spit out, if you hit the pole hard it may bounce back and kick it out... there are so many ways to get knocked out... still, big putts were made and everyone played the same baskets... it was fair and consistent

there is no problem here

 

[Cgkdisc]

don't get rid of chains! That ching is something to live for


anyway, if you hit the side you may spit out, if you hit the pole hard it may bounce back and kick it out... there are so many ways to get knocked out... still, big putts were made and everyone played the same baskets... it was fair and consistent

there is no problem here

Pavlov would have been proud.

 

[lyleoross]

The problem is not with Mach baskets specifically. They defined our sport from the beginning as to the amount of flukiness to expect when striking them. All other Championship baskets have similar levels of flukiness because we do not use a radially uniform target like a hole in ball golf or our early saucer cones which were closer to radial uniformity but suffered some other design flaws. So we live with our current chain basket designs going forward to maintain historical continuity or redesign the target to be radially uniform among other things where chains may not even be part of the design.

That doesn't mean they're flukey. Just that they have physical properties. Flukey would mean they do one thing for a putt at X height, y speed, Z angle, and w position for one throw and something different for a second throw of the same parameters.

We may not like the physical parameters of the basket and the hit zones that are good and or bad, but that doesn't mean the basket is flukey.

 

[lyleoross]

Mach 5's and 10's are pretty solid catchers, and the players voted for the 10's. The wind was probably partly to blame, and of course user error.

Not enough attention being given to what C20 wrote. To get discs into the basket in high wind, you have to push and spin harder. That leads to more bounce outs. I know it's a hard step to take, but putting does take some subtlety.

 

[DanJon]

The chainouts and spitouts that occurred during the Memorial was brutal. Players would hit the dead center of the chains, only to see their disc kicked back out by those Mach baskets. I don't care if it's Mach-2, Mach-5, Mach-X,Y, or Z... what happened at the Memorial was ridiculous.

Philo had an ace.. right in the basket... and that mach basket spit it back out. Other baskets would've held it for the rightful ace. I think it was Jessica Weese that poured one in from a good distance out, aroud a blockading tree... and it bounced right off those Mach chains.

So I'm calling upon and begging the DGPT and other pro tournaments to not use Mach baskets, to put up temp baskets on parks like Fountain Hills that have them, and to just make the point that good shots should be rewarded, not f--ed over by ridiculous baskets.

Do you even play tournaments?

You do realize that the pros voted for these right?

 

[Cgkdisc]

That doesn't mean they're flukey. Just that they have physical properties. Flukey would mean they do one thing for a putt at X height, y speed, Z angle, and w position for one throw and something different for a second throw of the same parameters.

We may not like the physical parameters of the basket and the hit zones that are good and or bad, but that doesn't mean the basket is flukey.

Aah, but they are fluky due to the slightly different chain pattern a player is always facing which they cannot discern well enough to adjust or even know how to adjust. That's the failure of radially uniform targets with spaced chains. Move a half degree to the right or left and the pattern presented changes with a slightly different way certain shots at certain angles will miss versus make at a different attack angle. Plus, the disc rim itself isn't always radially uniform in shape or friction level so even the contact point can matter. But it's not something that can possibly controlled by the player.

 

[jeffsk]

...and can we get rid of the designated hitter while we're at it.

 

[SD86]

. The wind was probably partly to blame, and of course user error.

When putts hit dead center, then spit out?

 

[SD86]

So two shots from distance that may or may not have stayed in on any other basket necessitate replacing all of the Mach baskets that may ever be used at a tournament venue?

Uh, okay.

It was a LOT more than two shots. Just watch the various Memorial Tournament videos...