Throwing under 350'?

[Technohic]

I know I am most the time, and I saw this article again and thought I would share it once more.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/drivingform.shtml

Very basic but to the point. I dont think this is completely detailed but it has the minimum needed I think, and if it means executing this part right getting 350' I think some of us would take it.

 

[garublador]

One thing to keep in mind is that he's talking about throwing current fairway drivers 350'. That article was written a while ago. That means if you're getting speed 9+ drivers 350' and fairway drivers less, there's still some fundamental stuff to work on.

 

[Technohic]

Yes, good point. I just kind of figured cause thats all I throw currently.

Also, a completely basic forehand article as well.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/throwingsidearm.shtml

 

[toothyfish]

One thing to keep in mind is that he's talking about throwing current fairway drivers 350'. That article was written a while ago. That means if you're getting speed 9+ drivers 350' and fairway drivers less, there's still some fundamental stuff to work on.

The more I play and learn, the more I realize, that I'd do just fine with discs from the mid '90's. I should stop at the Eagle and Teebird until they go 350+ all the time.

Except my Voodoo, don't take that away!

 

[Technohic]

After reading that article again, I am wondering if I should move back to the power grip from my 2 finger grip I use to create more of a lock point for spin.

Which BTW, I should share yet another article that everyone should read that I probably read the most on that site for some reason.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/gripittoripit.shtml

These are the simple ones are why I am looking at them. I like to not overwhelm with too much information.

 

[DiscChucker]

The more I play and learn, the more I realize, that I'd do just fine with discs from the mid '90's. I should stop at the Eagle and Teebird until they go 350+ all the time.

Except my Voodoo, don't take that away!

So I'm not the only one! :hfive: Most of the discs I throw with regularly are all older molds. Old school all the way!

 

[toothyfish]

So I'm not the only one! :hfive: Most of the discs I throw with regularly are all older molds. Old school all the way!

Okay, I just found an Evolution of Discs article which said the Teebird and Eagle are from 1999. So I will modify my statement from the mid-90's to 1999.

The irony is I am a new player, tried everything under the sun, and went backwards...though I do have the newer putters, Valks, and Predators.

 

[djjeremiahj]

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Okay, I just found an Evolution of Discs article which said the Teebird and Eagle are from 1999. So I will modify my statement from the mid-90's to 1999.

The irony is I am a new player, tried everything under the sun, and went backwards...though I do have the newer putters, Valks, and Predators.

Isnt this the evolution of every disc golfer...

in the beginning, the problem is "the disc".... they go out and buy and try everything. They scoff at the accurate drivers in the "less than max speed" range (eagle, tl) and focus primarily on the speed aspect.:wall:

The longer the player plays, the problem is "form and technique" and they slowly downgrade their discs to slower speeds. (the Eagle, Tbird and TL become the driver of choice) The focus becomes accuracy and controlled flight more than breaking the 300' barrier.

I havent reached the next level, but it seems that the better you get the slower disc you throw. It always amazes me when i get to a tbox for a 250' hole and someone says, "i throw a putter on this, or i dont mind using my roc here sometimes..."

Less is more, unless you are new, in which case you try to "spend" your way to improving. All the while, each time you try your hardest to rip the super fast disc, you are improving and making your "less than full strength" / controlled shot better. If you suck, maybe you should go out there, buy a super fast disc and learn how to throw harder...

 

[MotoDj]

me and my golfing buddies aren't that good, but nobody listens to me about the 250 holes, i try and try to tell em that putters and mids are plenty of disc to get there (open holes by the way...)
i can only laugh as they throw xcal's, orc's, destroyers etc, imean, yeah, you can aim those discs... but when you hit 5 ft from pin and the disc skips 50-80 ft further, you'd think they'd learn
i gave up offering advise cause in their mind i'm just gettin info from the internet... but i can drive a buzzz 320ish, wizards maybe 280, although on a 300ft hole i still throw a roadrunner often... i stop thowing mids after 280ft, dont throw putters unless they're 180 or less, but my buds cant even get their drivers out over 300, most dont even carry mids???
some folks will never learn, on the upside, i progressively get better and longer, and they peaked months ago, with little hope to get better (minus putting)
but to each their own i guess

 

[Technohic]

Thats one thing I am guilty of; I dont use my mids enough. Im not using "distance" drivers like that on 250' holes, or at all, but I probably dont need even the Leopard out for that either.

Been really trying to find the mids I like so maybe I will use them more.

 

[Fleshgordon]

Thats one thing I am guilty of; I dont use my mids enough. Im not using "distance" drivers like that on 250' holes, or at all, but I probably dont need even the Leopard out for that either.

Been really trying to find the mids I like so maybe I will use them more.

I too have been guilty of this, until recently.
I picked up a buzzz FLX, I coupled that with my Lightning U2(understable and oldschool) and have really taken a liking to the mids.

 

[MotoDj]

Thats one thing I am guilty of; I dont use my mids enough. Im not using "distance" drivers like that on 250' holes, or at all, but I probably dont need even the Leopard out for that either.

Been really trying to find the mids I like so maybe I will use them more.

start driving with mids, it'll do a few things for ya
you'll realize 300 is easy with a mid, but 200 and shorter become too easy to overthrow
the buzzz is a great driving mid, but i find it harder to judge distance when "letting off", but i know i should be throwing putters at that range, i do strugle with release on putters though, workin on it though

i dont have a prob throwing any disc at full speed, i have issues trying to back power off, when i started doing standstills it helped out alot

now it just bothers me that my drivers only go 20-40 ft past my mids <--- thats always going to bug me (till i fix it)

 

[Technohic]

start driving with mids, it'll do a few things for ya
you'll realize 300 is easy with a mid, but 200 and shorter become too easy to overthrow
the buzzz is a great driving mid, but i find it harder to judge distance when "letting off", but i know i should be throwing putters at that range, i do strugle with release on putters though, workin on it though

i dont have a prob throwing any disc at full speed, i have issues trying to back power off, when i started doing standstills it helped out alot

now it just bothers me that my drivers only go 20-40 ft past my mids <--- thats always going to bug me (till i fix it)

Yeah, I can get my Banger out to 200' and push it to 250' but that is pushing it and I lose accuracy. I need to get the mids going to hit that 200-270 at minimum just with my drives going 300' or so, but ideally, I need to stretch the mids further then my fairways hopefully will get a little further also to where I might think I am ready for some distance drivers.

 

[backswing_aplenty]

I just got through a different type of distance problem in that I had a gap in accuracy from about 150-250 ft. I can hit 375-400 with pretty decent accuracy, my mids go past 300, and my upshot are ok, that middle ground of drving off the tee under 250 killed me (along with putting). There aren't many of those holes at the courses I play so that may be the reason, but I just couldn't get comfortable driving my putter and had minimal powering down control on the mids.

Just spent 2 solid weeks drving with a putter and am finally getting the hang of it. The rest of my drives have increased too. I can't get the putter much past 225-250' but I now know where it's going. I would read often how to increase distance with drivers practice throwing putters; I had a big ego block and didn't bother because I was accurate out towards 400' with max "D" out to 450'. I've finally gotten over myself and the putter practice has been great for my game.

Practice drving with putters and mids, you'll be suprised by how far you get them.

*backswing

 

[toothyfish]

I just got through a different type of distance problem in that I had a gap in accuracy from about 150-250 ft. I can hit 375-400 with pretty decent accuracy, my mids go past 300, and my upshot are ok, that middle ground of drving off the tee under 250 killed me (along with putting). There aren't many of those holes at the courses I play so that may be the reason, but I just couldn't get comfortable driving my putter and had minimal powering down control on the mids.

Just spent 2 solid weeks drving with a putter and am finally getting the hang of it. The rest of my drives have increased too. I can't get the putter much past 225-250' but I now know where it's going. I would read often how to increase distance with drivers practice throwing putters; I had a big ego block and didn't bother because I was accurate out towards 400' with max "D" out to 450'. I've finally gotten over myself and the putter practice has been great for my game.

Practice drving with putters and mids, you'll be suprised by how far you get them.

*backswing

It makes sense about the accuracy gaps. It's the "in between discs" that causes the problems. We practice full throws, but when you need to throw at half or 3/4 power, it's easy to mess up.

I totally agree with the putter and mid practice. In the colder, wetter weather, I've abandoned practice with anything big. Since the footing is bad, it's a good time to work on standing throws, small step throws and getting good spin. I'm getting my Voodoos to 225-230 now, accuracy is fair, but considering when I started playing I got a Valk to 250, it's not bad.

I did spend time trying distance drivers out early on. I stayed away from the Xcalibers, Detroyers, and the like, but had a collection of Valks, Vikings, Starfires, and so on. But as I played, and played with some other guys, I saw how far things can go. Rocs to 290+, Teebirds to 350. Distance drivers came out of the bag and I spent time learning mids. Teebird was my only driver until I started to get it to 310-320 consistently. Then all of the sudden my Valk went 330-340. WOW! Now I'm back to getting my Gazelles going that far.

It's like a big shift. You start with a putter to 120, a mid to 200, a fairway to 250, and a distance driver to 280. Then it's the putter to 180, the mids to 250, the Teebird to 300, and the Valk to 320. Now it's the putter to 220, the mids to 280, the Teebird to 330, and Valks to 350. Looking for the consistent mid to 300 and Teebird to 350.

Before long, I imagine my putter going almost as far was my distance driver did when I started out.

 

[Lewis]

I must be the exception to the rule, because I've always carried fairway drivers and mids. I figured a bag without them would be like a golf bag without any irons. But I don't think it improved my game any to have and throw the slower discs from the start. I could be wrong, but I think what helped me more than anything was playing Ultimate in my youth and 20's.

 

[Technohic]

Well, if you go by that first article, it says as long as you have that basic form, you should be able to get (older drivers, now fairway drivers) out to 350'. I think I am going to try it.

I think 1 thing I am missing is I lock my eyes on my target, which I dont think is necessary and am only reaching back with my disc still not complely pastmy left side. Gotta just get the head off the target and let me reach back further.

Also going to go back to the power grip over my 2 finger.

 

[hognosesucker]

when a buddy of mine was just starting, his mentor just gave him a wizard and said throw only this until you can throw it 300', once he could do that, then he gave him a mid and so on. I think this is a good way to learn b/c it teaches you to throw hard but accurately. Now the kid can just destroy drives accurately and over 500' (with less accuracy) on a good throw. But really if you can smash a putter 300' you'll find yourself using that more often than anything else on.

 

[WillACarpenter]

when a buddy of mine was just starting, his mentor just gave him a wizard and said throw only this until you can throw it 300', once he could do that, then he gave him a mid and so on. I think this is a good way to learn b/c it teaches you to throw hard but accurately. Now the kid can just destroy drives accurately and over 500' (with less accuracy) on a good throw. But really if you can smash a putter 300' you'll find yourself using that more often than anything else on.

Yeah i'm having this problem now...

I don't know wtf to do with my bag full of discs...because I can do like 70% of everything with a challenger and a magnet...I have to reevaluate everything now. PITA.

\/\/

 

[hognosesucker]

Well, if you go by that first article, it says as long as you have that basic form, you should be able to get (older drivers, now fairway drivers) out to 350'. I think I am going to try it.

I think 1 thing I am missing is I lock my eyes on my target, which I dont think is necessary and am only reaching back with my disc still not complely pastmy left side. Gotta just get the head off the target and let me reach back further.

Also going to go back to the power grip over my 2 finger.

Yeah man drop that 2 finger grip, I started play with the 2 finger and it feels like you get a lot of snap when you use 2 fingers, but the power grip actually gives you better snap with control. As for locking your eyes on the target, what I do is just make a mental map of the spot I want to throw to and that allows me to take my eyes off the spot.

As for throwing 350+, it's important but not as important as hitting your spots and being accurate, it's been said on a couple of threads that you don't need that much distance to do well. Consistency is the name of the game.

While there is a WOW factor to throwing long, it's not nearly as important as putting. I get my butt kicked by a buddy of mine almost every round and he only averages a 250' drive, while I average quite a bit further than him, the difference is that his approaches are more accurate, and he sinks 80% of the putts w/i 10m (he's like a 980 player) and makes several in the 40-70' range. That part of the game is just WAY more important than long drives