[Innova] Rhyno: Why don't more pros use them?

[spahnandsain]

I have always been a big fan of the old champ and pro rhynos. The flat, OOP, ontario ones specifically. I haven't tried the factory store "stiff pro rhynos" but heard they are nice. I've owned and thrown just about every Rhyno ever made. Proline, Pro, Ontario pearly domey champ, Ontario flat glass top champ, gummies, san marino, rancho, dx, dx flat top, etc. I am not necessary a fan of thumbtracks but I love the lack of glide / drop on a dime, straight to fade path that I can run at the basket, panning annys that don't flip and burn, and usefulness on approaches (BH and FH).

What got me thinking about this question was Aviar3 thread, where McBeth went from P2 to Aviar3 now to champ aviar for an approach putter. The answer is easy, GET A RHYNO! I'm not a fan of the "new/current run" champs, dx, and gstars (San Marino and rancho tooled). They are too domey and don't have as much late fade IMO. They don't feel right in the hand. The current runs of Rpros are nice, but I can understand not liking the floppiness. I'm sure the pros sponsored by Innova could get their hands on some flat champs if they wanted.

So my question, why don't more pros throw rhynos? I can't name a single one who does. I don't think I've seen an ITB with rhynos. Can the pros accomplish rhyno shots with their throwing putters, so they don't need one?

 

[DiscinFiend]

In Alex Geisingers old ITB video he had a Champion Rhyno. I see a lot of Innova pros with Gators. I think there would be some overlap if they carried a Rhyno & a Gator. Most Innova pros probably choose to power down an overstable mid or throw their driving putter on a hyzer. I think the Rhyno is a great mold, even if most pros don't bag it.

 

[F. Howl]

MJ used to putt them. Zones too. Don't know about approaches.

The guy who won the St Patrick Classic this year in Masters, uses a Rhyno for approaches. But it does seem like the OS putter (which is one of my favorite spots in my bag) doesn't get much use at the top right now.

....just looked this up. He's not a pro, but as a Rhyno lover, you might find this anecdotal: according to his piece on the Innova page, Andrew Zimmern drives with one on short holes.

 

[Keller]

There are a few pros out there who use them, Logan Bowers, David Wiggins, William Gummeson and a few other European players, but yeah, at the top, you don't see many.

I love Rhynos, If they only made a Rhyno in KC plastic that was consistently flat!

 

[jcassidy1990]

There are a few pros out there who use them, Logan Bowers, David Wiggins, William Gummeson and a few other European players, but yeah, at the top, you don't see many.

I love Rhynos, If they only made a Rhyno in KC plastic that was consistently flat!

*Cough* RDG Scale *Cough*


I think most "good" players dont necessarily need an OS PnA because their own ability allows them manipulate a stable disc in a way that us normal folk cannot.

Our local sponsored pro rarely bags a Scale (Rhyno Improved). Instead he throws Serpents (straight PnA) on any line you can think of, including forehand. He prefers to use hyzer, flat or anny releases instead of the straight to fade dump that a classic beefy PnA provides.

Personally, I couldn't live without an OS PnA simply because they are nails for up shots. Throw it out and let them crash in.

 

[pjhayes7]

Local Pro Matt Dollar used to throw and putt with Rhynos when he was with Innova. Now he is with Latitude, and I am pretty sure he uses the Caltrop now.

And although the Factory Store Rhynos are not KC plastic, but they are stiffish and flat. I like Rpro, but the factory ones are awesome as well. I personally carry a Star Ontario that is flat and gummy and either a Factory Stiff or production Rpro.

 

[7ontheline]

Gregg Barsby throws Rhynos.

 

[SD86]

Local Pro Matt Dollar used to throw and putt with Rhynos when he was with Innova. Now he is with Latitude, and I am pretty sure he uses the Caltrop now.

And although the Factory Store Rhynos are not KC plastic, but they are stiffish and flat. I like Rpro, but the factory ones are awesome as well. I personally carry a Star Ontario that is flat and gummy and either a Factory Stiff or production Rpro.

Did Matt Dollar give up the Sinus? He was using that in the past...

 

[hugheshilton]

I think most "good" players dont necessarily need an OS PnA because their own ability allows them manipulate a stable disc in a way that us normal folk cannot.

^This. I guess if I could release a Champ Aviar or P2 cleanly enough that I could throw one of those out to 275 feet on a pure hyzer in a headwind, then I might have no need for an OS putter as well. I personally love my Pigs, which I use for any upshot or short drive that I can throw on a hyzer line. I can trust them to crash in on target and never go long. They're also shallow enough that I can easily exercise my very poor forehand with them. I think the depth and the bead of the Rhyno probably make it a less than ideal forehand disc for many players who lean that way (although I think Logan Bowers used to forehand his).

 

[ILUVSMGS18]

I'll take charge of this issue and go pro and be the pro who bags Rhynos. I'm about to take the plunge and work the various other putters out of my bag, though the Nova might stay until I can get a Rhyno to that spot. I can throw my GStar about 250 if I'm trying to accurately crush it. I've thrown DX, Ontario R-Pro, Rancho R-Pro, SM GStar, Rancho Champ and Star SM versions with my fav being my beat up Ontario R-Pro that would make annys look absolutely effortless.

 

[Sydex]

My guess has always been because they have a glide of 1. Meanwhile, you have Gators and such which have a slightly better glide (or a Pig which I've always found as more stable than a Rhyno) that can be powered down to do everything a Rhyno can do. Can't really power up a Rhyno too well and expect much more. I find them very comfortable putters for forehand and backhand, short utility discs until they beat in, then they're straight. I currently bag a G* San Marino Rhyno and a San Marino Star Aviar for my throwing putters and find they compliment each other beautifully.

Wonderful discs, they really are. Toss them and they sit where they fall, unless they fall on landscaping glass which seems to give them a good 30' skip.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Rhyno: Why don't more pros use them?

Probably because they don't want to. :|
Not knocking the Rhyno at all, but if there aren't many pros using it, apparently, most pros feel that their needs are better served by some other combination of discs.

 

[SD86]

My guess is that most Innova pros start out putting with Aviars or its variants (to include the Discmania P2), and stick with that when they get the plastic they like. And so their throwing putter is similar to the Aviar or P2 family, and they don't go to the different feeling Rhyno.

 

[dehaas]

Are we talking putting putter or as an approach disc? Putting putter is most about feel, but I'm sure some of it has to do with a pro's circle of confidence. If you're running a rhyno from 50 feet out you're not aiming straight at the basket. An aviar can run a straighter line to the bucket from farther away.

As far as an up shot disc, most of your top pros are getting to the green. The lowly am that I am will lay up from a much closer distance whereas your pros can comfortably run the basket because they know they can make a 30 foot come back putt. They're just better off the tee and have a larger putting radius so I don't think there is a huge need.

 

[BrotherDave]

A lot of people don't know this but most pros are real sticklers for proper spelling. You don't want to line up for that tourney clinching death putt and look down at the last second and go "WTF, why is there a 'Y' in Rhino?" :|

 

[@iDiscGolf]

Maybe because they're banging putts from such great distances. Maybe missing putts the discs more chance of being up on edge vs. flat like a neutral Putter miss?

 

[DanJon]

Schusterick was going to have a champ rhyno as his sig disc when he was with Innova.

I don't think it would have been a full signature line, maybe for his USDGC wins?

Other than that there have been a few Innova pros that used a Rhyno over the years.

As others mentioned; MJ, Dollar, Wiggins and I think Feldberg, probably others.

With Lat. 64 releasing their version of the Rhyno, I wouldn't be surprised to see them (Rhynos) getting some more attention.

Innova should run some flat and stiff Champ Rhynos again, that are actually OS, that would help.

 

[runningDoc]

95% of all Nashville open players bag rhynos. mentioned before Logan Bowers and Will Schuerstrick (before prodigy) are notable ones.

people here use it for everything: step out sidearm anny esacape approach escape shots, off the tee backhand short drives, rollers, etc.

hell there's a a guy who crushes rhynos (and pigs) sidearm on 350-400ft holes! a sight to behold the rhyno ends up looking like a high speed driver in flight the whole way.

when i moved to Nashville from CT it was cool to see how the rhyno seem to be nashville's signature disc.

i ended up finally learning how to sidearm my putters (i used my P2 instead) up to 200+ft on different lines because i saw what was possible with what the locals do with their rhynos.

 

[Horsman]

I used the old Champ Ontarios back in the day but eventually it came out because it wasnt overstable enough and I wasnt the biggest fan of how it felt in the hand. I fell like most pros dont carry one or any overstable driving putter because its not needed as much. Most pros will just power down an overstable mid for short overstable drives as opposed to powering up a putter.

 

[Pymm]

Local Pro Matt Dollar used to throw and putt with Rhynos when he was with Innova. Now he is with Latitude, and I am pretty sure he uses the Caltrop now.

And although the Factory Store Rhynos are not KC plastic, but they are stiffish and flat. I like Rpro, but the factory ones are awesome as well. I personally carry a Star Ontario that is flat and gummy and either a Factory Stiff or production Rpro.

Never thrown a Rhyno but if it's anything like the Caltrop, it's awesome. Caltrop rocks for short upshots. Laughs at wind and always sticks the landing. It's been taking some shots away from my Harp.