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Lacey Brugler Suspension

It's strange the things young athletes do in competitive situations. My son runs track in high school, and I've had the pleasure of watching some great meets. In our area, track and field coaches and parents are collaborative and supportive of each other and the athletes, regardless of school affiliation. People get to know the athletes in the region, and it's a great environment for kids learning to compete properly.

One runner at a different school was very good at her middle-distance events. At most league meets she blew away the field. It was clear that most people respected her for the amount of work she put in, and how for strongly she ran. However, at sectionals she was no longer the best on the track. On the final lap she was competing fiercely to fend off another runner, who was creeping up on her down the stretch. It was going to be close at the line. The crowd was cheering, and the atmosphere was really great. These girls were fighting for a position that was unimportant for advancement to the next meet, but that didn't matter. They're kids, and seeing them compete fairly and with vigor is why most of us are there in the first place. Anyway, this runner senses the other girl coming up on the outside, and she must have known she was about to be passed. As they approached the line, the runner in front put her arm out to bar the other girl from passing. There was an audible gasp from the crowd, and I saw her father shake his head.

Kids do dumb things sometimes, it's true. But if we're going to treat kids differently when they compete, they shouldn't compete with adults. They should compete in an environment where they're being taught how to compete.


I ran cross country for years a a few kid things but never at the front. My son started running a couple of years ago and the things I saw amazed me. Tripping, pushing etc.

The big difference, parents. All the sports I participated in as a kid had no parents.
 
I don't believe PDGA discloses reasons for suspensions, although I vaguely recall seeing the document provide a reason years ago so it may be a recent change.

We do not release why a player is on suspension / probation, etc for many reasons. 95% of those reasons are from a legal standpoint to protect the PDGA.

In the past, the rule that was broken was listed on the discipline list so you could easily tell the difference between behavior and drug use, for example. But since most rules could easily point out the reason for the suspension, it was removed as well.
 
I'm just confused why so many people are acting like a high school age person has no autonomy at all.

I played golf in high school, ages 14-18. Basically nobody cheated. I only saw one instance of cheating on our team, and our own coach called the player out and he was disqualified from the tournament.

You can blame the father, maybe she's been taught to cheat her entire life, who knows. But I feel like taking all responsibility off of her shoulders won't teach the lesson that needs to be taught here.
 
I don't play in tournaments, but I'm curious how this is even possible?

Don't the score cards turned in by the different players on a card have to match when they turn them in, wouldn't there have to be some sort of conspiracy amongst them?
 
I don't play in tournaments, but I'm curious how this is even possible?

Don't the score cards turned in by the different players on a card have to match when they turn them in, wouldn't there have to be some sort of conspiracy amongst them?

There is only one scorecard per card at MOST tournaments.
 
I'm just confused why so many people are acting like a high school age person has no autonomy at all.

I played golf in high school, ages 14-18. Basically nobody cheated. I only saw one instance of cheating on our team, and our own coach called the player out and he was disqualified from the tournament.

You can blame the father, maybe she's been taught to cheat her entire life, who knows. But I feel like taking all responsibility off of her shoulders won't teach the lesson that needs to be taught here.

The argument is not that the kid is blameless. The argument is that a teenager that has been told by their parent to cheat, and has actually had the parent assist in the cheating, has been lead down the path by an authority figure and has a chance to reform. Nobody is saying the tainted rounds should stand, or that what she did was anything but wrong. What we are saying is that the punishment should extend into the past but not too far into the future when reform is a legitimate likelihood.

Now if she takes that chance and pencilwhips again, even as a minor, throw the book at her.
 
I'm just confused why so many people are acting like a high school age person has no autonomy at all.

I played golf in high school, ages 14-18. Basically nobody cheated. I only saw one instance of cheating on our team, and our own coach called the player out and he was disqualified from the tournament.

You can blame the father, maybe she's been taught to cheat her entire life, who knows. But I feel like taking all responsibility off of her shoulders won't teach the lesson that needs to be taught here.


Several have said similar things, but she has been called out. She got punished for it too. I agree with those who say all her wins should be vacated. But after that, she's done. She shouldn't be punished more unless there's a reoccurrence.
 
We do not release why a player is on suspension / probation, etc for many reasons. 95% of those reasons are from a legal standpoint to protect the PDGA.

In the past, the rule that was broken was listed on the discipline list so you could easily tell the difference between behavior and drug use, for example. But since most rules could easily point out the reason for the suspension, it was removed as well.

Oh really? Any idea what the difference between the PDGA and the NFL in that regard? Seems like other pro sports never have an issue announcing the reason for player suspensions.

Just a matter of curiosity really. Not that I need to know.
 
It would be nice if the PDGA let their own members know if someone was suspended for cheating. It would at least give you an opportunity to keep an eye out if you're ever on a card with that person in the future...
 
Oh really? Any idea what the difference between the PDGA and the NFL in that regard? Seems like other pro sports never have an issue announcing the reason for player suspensions.

Just a matter of curiosity really. Not that I need to know.

The PGA Tour doesn't specify reasons in their disciplinary actions, though typically the media figures them out via anonymous sources or the players themselves.

Other sports have disciplinary processes that are negotiated with the players' unions. Part of those agreements probably include language related to the privacy issue. Like if an NFL player is suspended for a drug violation, part of the policy agreed upon by the league and the union allows the NFL to say that the player was suspended for a drug violation.

There's also the factor of player violations are typically already public before discipline is meted out. Like if a baseball pitcher charges the mound, then gets suspended the next day for it, there really isn't a whole lot of need for discretion about why he was suspended.

Something else to consider is that when teams (not leagues) discipline a player, they often do not disclose the reason. Plenty of players have been disciplined by their employer for "violation of team rules" or some other vague reason. They're under no obligation to reveal more than that.
 
Seen it all. Coached and refereed kids soccer for years. The younger kid's parents are worse than the older.

"My kid can play."

"He's got a cast on."

"It'll be fine."

"Cripes he's ten, this doesn't matter a lick in terms of anything except he might damage his foot so badly he'll never play again."

"Nope, needs to play now."

"Go home sir."

"What?"

"Go home now, your kid ain't playing."

"I'm gonna sue."

"You do that."


My favorite. Saw a kid get a concussion. He was loopy, walking in circles (I was on the side, the center missed it) and I called a time out. His trainer ate me up cause his team had possession. He was in the middle third. Really psycho stuff.
 
And yes, I've seen parents and trainers teach their kids to cheat. Seen it on site. Really disgusting stuff. Sided a U18 game. One team was just faster. Every time they'd break the other team would grab an arm. I saw more arms flipped up behind the player than at the side. The Center warned the trainer and finally started calling it. Really ugly game with the trainer on the pitch in my Center's face. We had to stand together to get the guy off the field.
 
Oh really? Any idea what the difference between the PDGA and the NFL in that regard? Seems like other pro sports never have an issue announcing the reason for player suspensions.

Just a matter of curiosity really. Not that I need to know.

The PDGA doesn't want a law suit b/c they stated that so and so did drugs at an event and then an employer googles a name and sees "hmmm, they got a drug suspension a few years back....."

The NFL has a players union and part of their agreement is to release that info.
 
It would be nice if the PDGA let their own members know if someone was suspended for cheating. It would at least give you an opportunity to keep an eye out if you're ever on a card with that person in the future...

The PDGA, nor I, have said a word about Lacey and why she was suspended.

However, there's been dozens of facebook posts, multiple podcasts and this thread that all accuse her of cheating.

So I'm not sure what you as a player would gain if the PDGA confirmed that was she was suspended.
 
It's strange the things young athletes do in competitive situations. My son runs track in high school, and I've had the pleasure of watching some great meets. In our area, track and field coaches and parents are collaborative and supportive of each other and the athletes, regardless of school affiliation. People get to know the athletes in the region, and it's a great environment for kids learning to compete properly.

One runner at a different school was very good at her middle-distance events. At most league meets she blew away the field. It was clear that most people respected her for the amount of work she put in, and how for strongly she ran. However, at sectionals she was no longer the best on the track. On the final lap she was competing fiercely to fend off another runner, who was creeping up on her down the stretch. It was going to be close at the line. The crowd was cheering, and the atmosphere was really great. These girls were fighting for a position that was unimportant for advancement to the next meet, but that didn't matter. They're kids, and seeing them compete fairly and with vigor is why most of us are there in the first place. Anyway, this runner senses the other girl coming up on the outside, and she must have known she was about to be passed. As they approached the line, the runner in front put her arm out to bar the other girl from passing. There was an audible gasp from the crowd, and I saw her father shake his head.

Kids do dumb things sometimes, it's true. But if we're going to treat kids differently when they compete, they shouldn't compete with adults. They should compete in an environment where they're being taught how to compete.

Committing a foul in the heat of competition is completely forgiveable. But to knowingly change and turn in a scorecard after the competition, is quite conniving, dishonest, low, immoral, and unforgiveable.
 
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