Maxing out at 370’ and running out of ideas

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

https://youtu.be/zhtLO9GtaDM

Trying to get the disc farther away. Haven't gotten the inside out step yet.

 

[sidewinder22]

Looks pretty good with the body, more of an outside in step like PP/GG/SW22.

Looks like your elbow moves inward/right, instead of outward/left when you start forward. That should help create more space and tension and get the disc deeper into the pocket and load the lat more and more redirection. You want the disc to wag in behind the elbow going out.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Yeah that is a persistent one, elbow does not want to do what it's supposed to. I'll swing and think I had it up/out and then watch it back and it's squeezing/dropping. I like the bit re: the feeling of tension connecting to the lat, maybe if i go for that feeling the elbow will follow.

 

[navel]

Yeah that is a persistent one, elbow does not want to do what it's supposed to. I'll swing and think I had it up/out and then watch it back and it's squeezing/dropping. I like the bit re: the feeling of tension connecting to the lat, maybe if i go for that feeling the elbow will follow.

The elbow moving in/right is a tricky one.
You are basically rotating a force that wants to go forward and out.
Your elbow hasn't caught up to your shoulder and overtaken it before your shoulder starts the follow through and redirects your elbow.

Break it down body part by body part. What is part of the swing and what is part of the follow through?
Forward / left / out = Swing
Backwards / right / in = Follow through

Elbow being towed to the left vs. Elbow overtaking the shoulder.

Tip!: When plant foot has landed and the swing is starting, try to think of it as your back shoulder chasing your elbow out in a diagonal line in front of your thorax. (Mash into it!) Stay relaxed though.

 

[sidewinder22]

Tip!: When plant foot has landed and the swing is starting, try to think of it as your back shoulder chasing your elbow out in a diagonal line in front of your thorax. (Mash into it!) Stay relaxed though.

I don't understand this part.

 

[navel]

I don't understand this part.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Thanks navel. Interesting ideas. Have you had success with the segmenting of the swing/followthrough? I'm looking forward to trying it. Wonder if it will be tough for me to get out of thinking of it as one fluid motion though, like timing the allowance of the elbow to move right. Also have a good feeling about the left shoulder pushing right elbow idea, can't wait to try.

I don't understand the car picture or the overtaking bit. Is bottom left phase two of top left and bottom right phase two of top right?

Do you guys think this elbow business could cause early releases? I've been shanking low left like it's my job. Thanks.

 

[sidewinder22]

Tip!: When plant foot has landed and the swing is starting, try to think of it as your back shoulder chasing your elbow out in a diagonal line in front of your thorax. (Mash into it!) Stay relaxed though.

IDK if it's the word choice or what, but I'm having a hard wrapping my brain around it. Chasing and mash seem to be opposites.

I'm more focused on leveraging forward although the motion might be more diagonal or rotational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpp7ZFLHK90#t=8m44s

 

[sidewinder22]

Do you guys think this elbow business could cause early releases? I've been shanking low left like it's my job. Thanks.

Could be.

Elbow swing in Drew and Avery type:

 

[navel]

Thanks navel. Interesting ideas. Have you had success with the segmenting of the swing/followthrough? I'm looking forward to trying it. Wonder if it will be tough for me to get out of thinking of it as one fluid motion though, like timing the allowance of the elbow to move right. Also have a good feeling about the left shoulder pushing right elbow idea, can't wait to try.

I don't understand the car picture or the overtaking bit. Is bottom left phase two of top left and bottom right phase two of top right?

Do you guys think this elbow business could cause early releases? I've been shanking low left like it's my job. Thanks.

It should still work as a fluid motion. It's just about where that motion is directed to, which should be out from your body, with your body resisting the arm/disc pulling you out too. (Ball on a string.)
Like an Olympic hammer throw.
A lot of people tend to just rotate instead of sending the force and the disc forward through a motion that is a rotation as an effect of the force travelling out and forward.
As soon as you pull the swing/force inwards/right you are doomed.

The picture of the cars are two scenarios.
#1 from left to right: The shoulder-car is going as fast or faster than the elbow-car, then turning left pulling the elbow car to the left with it.
#2 from left to right: The shoulder-car is braking or the elbow-car is accelerating and overtaking the shoulder-car. Which makes it sling forward and spin around forward when the towing rope is pulling the front end back.
This example is meant to show what happens if you drag any body part along through the swing and the follow-through instead of letting it all accelerate forward and out. Each part (hips-shoulders-elbow-disc) should overtake the previous part and sling forward instead of being pulled to the side and dragged along.

IDK if it's the word choice or what, but I'm having a hard wrapping my brain around it. Chasing and mash seem to be opposites.

I'm more focused on leveraging forward although the motion might be more diagonal or rotational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpp7ZFLHK90#t=8m44s

Hmm... Maybe. English isn't my first language. I don't mean it like a sudden yank or pull. More like a continuous push in the direction 'back shoulder towards front elbow', since both parts will travel and move through the swing. In relation to each other the push/mash is the same. But in relation to the target line it's not.
The same way as in this gif basically, with the gravity being constant and the counterforce adjusting to the direction of travel. The force moving the car isn't shown unfortunately.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

The picture of the cars are two scenarios.
#1 from left to right: The shoulder-car is going as fast or faster than the elbow-car, then turning left pulling the elbow car to the left with it.
#2 from left to right: The shoulder-car is braking or the elbow-car is accelerating and overtaking the shoulder-car. Which makes it sling forward and spin around forward when the towing rope is pulling the front end back.
This example is meant to show what happens if you drag any body part along through the swing and the follow-through instead of letting it all accelerate forward and out. Each part (hips-shoulders-elbow-disc) should overtake the previous part and sling forward instead of being pulled to the side and dragged along.

Thanks for the clarification.........wow. So cool. So I need to find the difference in what it feels like to yank my elbow with my shoulder vs. do less with my shoulder and let the elbow swing around/past it at a natural pace/direction.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Well navel I'm glad you reminded me about the 'mush' of the rear shoulder pushing the throwing elbow out, because in 20 minutes of messing around with this, the only swings where my elbow looked right were the ones where I employed a Drew Gibson left arm move. For sure the reason my lead shoulder tugs is because without the push from the rear shoulder, there's no other way to get things goin.

Cracking myself up with the number of things I advise people about and forget in my own swing, and the number of things from the first 3 pages of this thread that I keep circling back to.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

https://youtu.be/PfHfttf80No

Alright so I got it in my house with a dish towel but not in the field!

Elbow still dropping and disc popping up. Will have to keep chipping away at that one.

Pretty happy with the off-arm, takes a lot of focus for me to get it that involved, hoping to develop some muscle memory.

Falling over targetward my upper body. Need to figure out how to stop upright and not go beyond.

 

[sidewinder22]

Maybe drop the shoulder, so it tows the elbow.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Not sure I get it. Am I lacking the side bend the golf guy mentions on the downswing, so my shoulders are too level with each other? I've watched the dingle arm thing a bunch of times but I still don't understand how to do that without scooping. Also is there a good video of an anhyzer thrown by someone who employs the shoulder drop? Thanks

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Wow what a library! So are you talking about dropping the shoulder in the windup? Or coming through? Sorry, this one is whooshin over my head.

 

[sidewinder22]

It doesn't really matter how you take the disc back as long as you are loaded at the top of the backswing. You can move in one direction like windmill or horizontal like Barry Shultz, or reciprocate it back and forth. It's just a matter a adjusting your balance and posture to the tilted spiral axis for the swing plane.

I think I throw about every backhand plane in this one.